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    I don't understand the outcome of the Dayton game. The box score and recap say that South Bend won the game, 3-2, after scoring three in the top of the sixth. The game was then called. But since Dayton didn't bat in the sixth, it seems that the score should revert to the last completed inning, which would make Dayton the winner. There's nothing in the box or recap to indicate that Dayton batted in the sixth.

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    Re: Monday 7/11/11 Minor League Game Thread

    You only need 5 1/2 for an official game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cinreds21 View Post
    You only need 5 1/2 for an official game.
    But that should only be if the home team is ahead. If not, it should revert to the last completed inning, as long as five have been completed. Unless there's been some recent change to an age-old rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mace View Post
    But that should only be if the home team is ahead. If not, it should revert to the last completed inning, as long as five have been completed. Unless there's been some recent change to an age-old rule.
    I've always known it as 5 1/2 even if the home team is losing.

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    Re: Monday 7/11/11 Minor League Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by cinreds21 View Post
    I've always known it as 5 1/2 even if the home team is losing.
    I don't think so. You can't let one team have an extra AB more than the other, if the team behind in the score is short an AB.

    Rule 4.10
    (c) If a game is called, it is a regulation game:
    (1) If five innings have been completed;
    (2) If the home team has scored more runs in four or four and a fraction half-innings than the visiting team has scored in five completed half-innings;
    (3) If the home team scores one or more runs in its half of the fifth inning to tie the score.
    (d) If a regulation game is called with the score tied, it shall become a suspended game. See Rule 4.12.
    (e) If a game is called before it has become a regulation game, the umpire shall declare it “No Game.”
    (f) Rain checks will not be honored for any regulation or suspended game which has progressed to or beyond a point of play described in 4.10(c)
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    Re: Monday 7/11/11 Minor League Game Thread

    Matt Fairel made a rehab start tonight for the AZL Reds. He went two scoreless innings and was relieved by Jordan Smith, who did the same. Then Eliezer Beard struck out the side in the fifth. It's 4-0.

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    Re: Monday 7/11/11 Minor League Game Thread

    League officials were consulted. It was suspended, then called - if a called game is regulation (at least 5 innings completed), then the team with the lead is declared the winner. I think that is the interpretation that was used.

    Both section 4.10 and 4.12 apply.

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    Re: Monday 7/11/11 Minor League Game Thread

    Lefthander Wandy Peralta, who last time out pitched five no-hit innings, tonight pitched seven 3-hit, one-run innings as the DSL Reds won 3-1.

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    Re: Monday 7/11/11 Minor League Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypnotoad View Post
    League officials were consulted. It was suspended, then called - if a called game is regulation (at least 5 innings completed), then the team with the lead is declared the winner. I think that is the interpretation that was used.

    Both section 4.10 and 4.12 apply.
    Wow, that's absurd. I can see where the rules, as presented in grayson's post, can leave room for that interpretation. But that's simply not right. If the visiting team takes the lead in any inning from the fifth on, the home team has to have a chance to bat. Can you imagine calling a game after the top of the 11th if the visiting team scores to break a tie? Never heard of anything like this.

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    Re: Monday 7/11/11 Minor League Game Thread

    Perusing the rules, I don't see anything about a game reverting to the last completed inning. My guess is that the language used concerning the fifth inning is supposed to apply to subsequent innings, as well, but it doesn't say that. I've always understood it that way. Maybe I've always understood it wrong, but it seemed as fundamental as four balls making a walk. And if it's not that way, it's astoundingly unfair to the home team.

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    Re: Monday 7/11/11 Minor League Game Thread

    So I was right?

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    OK, rule 4.12 says this:

    4.12 SUSPENDED GAMES.
    (a) A game shall become a suspended game that must be completed at a future date if
    the game is terminated for any of the following reasons:
    . . . (5) Weather, if a regulation game is called while an inning is in progress and
    before the inning is completed, and the visiting team has scored one or more
    runs to take the lead, and the home team has not retaken the lead;


    So it should be a suspended game, not a completed game. South Bend should not be the winner. The game should be resumed.

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    Re: Monday 7/11/11 Minor League Game Thread

    Here's the explanation from the Dragons website:

    Dayton, Ohio-Raywilly Gomez and Matt Helm delivered back-to-back run-scoring doubles in the top of the sixth inning and the South Bend Silver Hawks got an assist from Mother Nature as they defeated the Dayton Dragons 3-2 on Monday night in a game shortened by rain to five and one-half innings.

    The Silver Hawks took the lead in the top of the sixth inning and, due to heavy rain, the Dragons never got the opportunity to bat in the bottom of the sixth. By rule, those circumstances meet the conditions for a suspended game since the home team could not bat after a lead change in the top of the inning. But since the two teams do not play again in 2011, Midwest League President George Spelius, with assistance from Mike Felt of the Professional Baseball Umpire Corporation, cited further Minor League Baseball regulations to declare South Bend the winner. Rules state that in the event a suspended game cannot be resumed and the game has reached five full innings, the team leading at the time of the suspension shall be awarded the win.

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    So yes, it should have been a suspended game. The caveat is that the two teams don't play again.

    Even then, however, it's astonishing that they can award the victory to a team that has taken the lead in an inning in which the other team hasn't batted. Never heard of such a thing.

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    Re: Monday 7/11/11 Minor League Game Thread

    Billings won, 5-2, with excellent relief from a number of recent draft choices.

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    Re: Monday 7/11/11 Minor League Game Thread

    The Mudcats have won four games consecutively for the first time this year. They had won three games in a row only once prior. The Jackson Generals are in town beginning tomorrow for another one of those six games series. Carolina won three in a row at Jackson immediately before the SL AS break. Hoping these guys can carry the momentum into this series.
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