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Thread: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

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    Re: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Most relievers were drafted as starters.
    I don't know if I would agree with that. Several of the ones I listed were drafted as relievers.

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    Re: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

    Stamina, size--referring back to Doug's post. Which is why I like the McMyne pick that started all this discussion and why I think he may still be a starter. He's something like 6' 215-220.

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    Re: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

    Relievers are great to trade. Bring them up for a little, work them enough to build some stats and put them in positions to succeed.... and if you need to trade some of them.

    How many teams don't need relievers at the trade deadline? Teams can be fine with their starting pitching or lineup, but there is always room for another in the bullpen. Look at the Brewers, they have the best reliever in the division and traded for a guy who is even better then that.

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    Re: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by 10xWSChamps View Post
    Relievers are great to trade. Bring them up for a little, work them enough to build some stats and put them in positions to succeed.... and if you need to trade some of them.

    How many teams don't need relievers at the trade deadline? Teams can be fine with their starting pitching or lineup, but there is always room for another in the bullpen. Look at the Brewers, they have the best reliever in the division and traded for a guy who is even better then that.
    The problem is, relievers are rarely worth much in a trade, unless they are top notch.

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    Re: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

    Relievers netted Phillips and Scott Rolen, two above average Red starters.
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    Re: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Relievers netted Phillips and Scott Rolen, two above average Red starters.
    Some here will argue to the death that Stewart is a starter. The Phillips call is a good one, but deals like the Phillips one are rare.

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    Re: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

    He wasn't a starter when they drafted him, though. (Or at least not completely.)
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    Re: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    Some here will argue to the death that Stewart is a starter. The Phillips call is a good one, but deals like the Phillips one are rare.
    Stewart has 42 starts in the last two seasons. Why is there even an argument?

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    Re: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Stewart has 42 starts in the last two seasons. Why is there even an argument?
    Because some still see him as a reliever at the Major League level and don't see him as a viable starter.

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    Re: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    Because some still see him as a reliever at the Major League level and don't see him as a viable starter.
    Yet the team that holds his future thinks he is.

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    Re: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Yet the team that holds his future thinks he is.
    And he was certainly acquired by Toronto with the idea that he was a starter.

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    Re: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Yet the team that holds his future thinks he is.
    thinks is the key word. if he gives up 5-6 runs a game averaged out over 10-15 starts, do you think they will keep him as a starter?

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    Re: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    thinks is the key word. if he gives up 5-6 runs a game averaged out over 10-15 starts, do you think they will keep him as a starter?
    Sure. Greg Maddux had an ERA over 5.50 in his first two seasons (36 combined games, albeit at a younger age). Homer Bailey is still starting. He did that. Edinson Volquez is still starting. He did that. They may not, but it isn't like he would be the first guy to ever do that.

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    Re: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

    I think the leash is smaller these days for pitchers, particularly for guys who aren't drafted in the 1st round.

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    Re: Why do the Reds take projected relievers so early in the draft?

    Sean Watson, Stewart and some others were drafted high as relievers but the organization thought they could turn them into starters. Seems the organizational philosophy is to take arms without alot of mileage and try to develop them into starting pitchers. I think it's an interesting thought but doesn't seem to be working all that well we have yet to develop one of them. Wish they would wait until later than the 3rd to do this and preferably later than the 5th.
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