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    Re: Here we go again...

    Hearing Rutgets and UConn are gone from the BE soon as well.

    The remaining Big East schools need to offer Texas unconditional membership in a new conference, allowing them to keep revenue from any Longhorn Network they start.

    The only chance of survival USF, Cincinnati and Louisville have is getting Texas and a few of the Big 12 schools (Baylor, ISU, Mizzou) to bail right now, before the shuffling gets much further -- because none of those three schools have an exit scenario from the BE that looks pretty.
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    Re: Here we go again...

    UC haters, congrats. The program is dead in the water. Hope you're all happy.

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    Re: Here we go again...

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    Hearing Rutgets and UConn are gone from the BE soon as well.

    The remaining Big East schools need to offer Texas unconditional membership in a new conference, allowing them to keep revenue from any Longhorn Network they start.

    The only chance of survival USF, Cincinnati and Louisville have is getting Texas and a few of the Big 12 schools (Baylor, ISU, Mizzou) to bail right now, before the shuffling gets much further -- because none of those three schools have an exit scenario from the BE that looks pretty.
    With the direction college football is heading with the four superconferences, the Big East and Big XII are looking like the odd conferences out.

    With that being said, I can't see Texas being involved in a conference other than the Big Four. If the ACC doesn't give them what they want, they may have to settle for the Pac 12. If Pitt, Syracuse, WVU, UConn, and Rutgers all leave, why would Texas join to become the Boise State of that conference?

    I see an outside possibility of Louisville joining the ACC, but UC and USF are either stuck in a completely revamped Big East or will join a lesser conference when they fold.
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    Re: Here we go again...

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    With the direction college football is heading with the four superconferences, the Big East and Big XII are looking like the odd conferences out.

    With that being said, I can't see Texas being involved in a conference other than the Big Four. If the ACC doesn't give them what they want, they may have to settle for the Pac 12. If Pitt, Syracuse, WVU, UConn, and Rutgers all leave, why would Texas join to become the Boise State of that conference?

    I see an outside possibility of Louisville joining the ACC, but UC and USF are either stuck in a completely revamped Big East or will join a lesser conference when they fold.
    USF needs to pray the SEC relents on the same state charter and takes FSU as #15 or 16. Thats the only chance they remain relevant in the "big 4". UC is definately screwed unless the Big 12 figures out some way to keep its BcS spot.
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    Re: College Football Realignment

    With the Big East imploding, wouldn't it make sense for the Big XII to grab some of those decent football/ basketball schools in the midwest/ west and create their own brand? A 20-team super-conference with the following universities might turn some heads:

    Texas
    Baylor
    Texas Tech
    Houston
    TCU
    SMU
    UTEP
    Oklahoma
    Oklahoma State
    Tulsa
    Iowa State
    Kansas St.
    Kansas
    Louisville
    Cincinnati
    Memphis
    Missouri
    Colorado
    Colorado State
    Air Force Academy

    That would make Boise State a nice Pac 12 consolation prize (at least in football), as well as Nevada, UNLV, Utah, BYU, New Mexico, et al. That puts them at 20. Add in a 20-team Big Ten (snicker), a 20-team ACC, and a 20-team SEC.
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    I highly doubt any conference would go to 20 teams -- remember, each team you add splits the TV revenue pie even smaller for the member schools. Adding schools has to make sense for media markets and TV contract negotiations (which is what this is all about).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    With the Big East imploding, wouldn't it make sense for the Big XII to grab some of those decent football/ basketball schools in the midwest/ west and create their own brand? A 20-team super-conference with the following universities might turn some heads:

    Texas
    Baylor
    Texas Tech
    Houston
    TCU (Texas will not share Dallas)
    SMU
    UTEP (have you ever been to El Paso?)
    Oklahoma (Pac 16 bound)
    Oklahoma State (Goes where Oklahoma tells them)
    Tulsa
    Iowa State
    Kansas St.
    Kansas
    Louisville
    Cincinnati
    Memphis
    Missouri (Big 10 bound)
    Colorado (Left already because of Texas why go back?)
    Colorado State
    Air Force Academy

    That would make Boise State a nice Pac 12 consolation prize (at least in football), as well as Nevada, UNLV, Utah, BYU, New Mexico, et al. That puts them at 20. Add in a 20-team Big Ten (snicker), a 20-team ACC, and a 20-team SEC.
    Never play a game outside of your geographic area? 20 is way too big for the money it would cost. I think 16 might even be pushing it in terms of schools that would add that kind of revenue.

    That conference would be Texas and the XX little dwarfs. TCU and Louisville would be the only possible yearly threats to Texas.
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    Re: Here we go again...

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    With that being said, I can't see Texas being involved in a conference other than the Big Four. If the ACC doesn't give them what they want, they may have to settle for the Pac 12. If Pitt, Syracuse, WVU, UConn, and Rutgers all leave, why would Texas join to become the Boise State of that conference?
    That's how I see it. They're infatuated with the Longhorn Network and for the time being, they're trying to keep it. But the positions of the Pac, Big Ten, SEC and ACC in the upcoming landscape are secure enough that they don't need Texas on Texas' terms. So Texas has to find a way to remain a de facto independent, or whip up a viable fifth conference, or they'll end up accepting a take-it-or-leave-it offer, probably from the Pac. I think the last one is where I'd place the wager, but who knows at this point.
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    Re: College Football Realignment

    There is still a lot to be played out in this, but something else to keep in mind, is that even before this round of conference realignment got started, there had been a lot of talk about a CUSA split, as there's a real disconnect in that league right now. I could completely see the Big East leftovers (namely former CUSA teams UL, UC and USF) rejoining the eastern branch of CUSA to form a new alliance, and the western branch of CUSA joining up with the remainders of the Big 12.

    You'd basically have a reformed C-USA (with a new name, I'm sure) with Cincinnati, Louisville, South Florida, Memphis, Tulane, Southern Miss, UAB, East Carolina, Central Florida and maybe Marshall. Then the other league would be something like Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, joining up with Houston, Rice, UTEP, SMU, Tulsa and maybe TCU hooking up there with the Big East fiasco that's unfolding. This is assuming the larger conference breaks happen, with UConn, WVU and Rutgers leaving the Big East (extremely likely), and Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Missouri leaving the Big 12 (not a 100% lock, but pretty likely to wind up the end game in this).

    It would form a couple decent conferences, but I'm not sure either would have AQ status in this new coalition that seems to be forming. Something else to keep in mind is the WAC also seems like it could be in trouble right now, I could see the WAC and MWC merging in a way (of course, the whole reason the MWC exists today is because it was split off from a 16-team WAC that seemed to be about a decade ahead of its time). Some of the Big 12/western CUSA teams could have a hand in this MWC, it's just hard to say because there is much left to decided, like whether the leagues hold at 14 as it seems, or they'll push to 16, as seems to be the ultimate goal of all of the major leagues, other than maybe the Big Ten.

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    Re: College Football Realignment

    Anyone really feel this is going to be any better than the ACC is already???

    North:
    1 Boston College
    2 Connecticut
    3 Maryland
    4 Pittsburgh
    5 Rutgers
    6 Syracuse
    7 Va Tech
    8 Virginia

    South:
    1 Duke
    2 Florida State
    3 Georgia Tech
    4 Miami
    5 North Carolina
    6 NC State
    7 Wake
    8 Clemson

    The ACC added more chaff that tv sets don't care about and bowls don't want. Congrats you just shrunk your per piece share!!!!
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    Re: College Football Realignment

    The Big East is dead. Reports are that WVU has submitted their paperwork to the SEC, confirming what their fans have hoped for and the rest of us suspected. I suspect UConn and Rutgers wil soon round out the ACC at 16.

    As for the leftovers, the best case scenario is to merge with the Big XII north schools. UC's best hope is to hitch their wagon to Louisville, wherever that may be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyder View Post
    Never play a game outside of your geographic area? 20 is way too big for the money it would cost. I think 16 might even be pushing it in terms of schools that would add that kind of revenue.
    I think the fact that everyone with a name is talking 14 and only "sources" are talking 16 is a real sign that nobody wants to go 16 unless somebody else does it first, it'll be a scheduling nightmare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paintmered View Post
    As for the leftovers, the best case scenario is to merge with the Big XII north schools. UC's best hope is to hitch their wagon to Louisville, wherever that may be.
    Exactly, Texas may be able to keep the big12 afloat on name only if they can get big east left overs and maybe BYU to join them, independence won't work anymore in a huge conference landscape, nobody will play them when everyone is going to have 9 or 10 conference games to deal with.
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    Re: College Football Realignment

    That will make Saturday's LSU @ WVU interesting, particularly with ESPN's Gameday already announcing they're setting up in Morgantown.

    Does this mean that I'm going to have to stop calling the SEC a conference of crooks?

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    Re: College Football Realignment

    Per ESPN and others, it looks like the Pac is about to be the Pac-16, bringing in Texas and Texas Tech. The Longhorn Network will survive, but on terms the conference can live with.

    As for the ACC, I read somewhere -- and I have no idea if this is all true -- that the ACC thinks the ESPN/ABC/Fox etc. network revenue stream is close to maxed out. So instead of basing everything on increasing those contracts, their first priority was to land the knockout punch on the Big East, to make sure the ACC is the one getting the seat at the big table for whatever comes next. A little short-term pain for the sake of long-term gain. They're also looking at an equivalent of the Big Ten Network, which is a per-subscriber revenue model, and they just added 45 million people to the ACC home-state footprint.
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