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    What more does Cueto have to do to prove he's an ace?

    I hope I didn't jinx the rest of today's performance.

    Seriously, as of the fourth inning, the guy has a 1.94 ERA and a 0.95 WHIP. While he may not put up those kinds of numbers in the future, I think it's reasonable to expect him to continue performing like a #1 starter. Hopefully people on this board will start to realize and appreciate that.

    Now let's go out and get one more "ace" to compliment him.
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    Re: What more does Cueto have to do to prove he's an ace?

    His declining-K numbers are a little worrisome to me. I'm not a strict adherent to the Church of xFIP, but that along with his BABIP numbers suggest that Cueto's numbers are due for a correction at some point.
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    Re: What more does Cueto have to do to prove he's an ace?

    Win 20 games in a season. You do that and no one doubts that you're the ace.

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    Re: What more does Cueto have to do to prove he's an ace?

    repeatability is the key. Was Jack Armstrong an ACE for 1 half of 1 great season? No, and neither will Johnny be considerred an ACE until he puts up numbers similar to this for 2-3 seasons.

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    Re: What more does Cueto have to do to prove he's an ace?

    Two big things he needs to do are:
    1- Have strong 2nd half to the seasons- he has faded badly the past two seasons. In 09 it started with his All Star snub and the 22-1 loss at Philly. Last year, the Reds lost 5 straight of his starts in Sept.

    2- He needs to go 9 innings. He has only done this once in his career- his brilliant game in Pittsburgh last May. He has 2 8 inning outings this year which were both CG's because they were losses. Aces in my mind will go 8 regularly. Halladay just had a string snapped of 64 straight road games where he went at least 6+ innings.

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    Re: What more does Cueto have to do to prove he's an ace?

    Threatening to beat Jay Bruce's azzz if he doesn't hit the cutoff man would be a good start.
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    Re: What more does Cueto have to do to prove he's an ace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    His declining-K numbers are a little worrisome to me. I'm not a strict adherent to the Church of xFIP, but that along with his BABIP numbers suggest that Cueto's numbers are due for a correction at some point.
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    Re: What more does Cueto have to do to prove he's an ace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unassisted View Post
    Win 20 games in a season. You do that and no one doubts that you're the ace.
    And you can let the fungus grow back on your shoes, and the reporters will think you're colorful.
    Sabermetrics is this: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.

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    Re: What more does Cueto have to do to prove he's an ace?

    start opening day and he can be an ace like Volquez

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    He needs to get in the faces of the offense and let them know how unhappy he is getting a loss for giving up one or two runs a game and getting nothing from the offense to support him. That is being an ace!!
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    Re: What more does Cueto have to do to prove he's an ace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    His declining-K numbers are a little worrisome to me. I'm not a strict adherent to the Church of xFIP, but that along with his BABIP numbers suggest that Cueto's numbers are due for a correction at some point.
    This unfortunately. A .217 BABIP is just not sustainable at all. Going forward, he's a nice 3.50ERA #2 pitcher IMO, but clearly a step below the obvious aces in the league.

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    Re: What more does Cueto have to do to prove he's an ace?

    It's just traditional perception that he has to overcome... To be an "ace" you have to put up fantasy friendly numbers and dominate with K's... When he's not doing that, he's not going to be recognized as an ace...

    Even if he's every bit as effective as one.
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    Re: What more does Cueto have to do to prove he's an ace?

    Quote Originally Posted by REDblooded View Post
    It's just traditional perception that he has to overcome... To be an "ace" you have to put up fantasy friendly numbers and dominate with K's... When he's not doing that, he's not going to be recognized as an ace...

    Even if he's every bit as effective as one.
    He has pitched like an ace so far, but unless Cueto's turned into some sort of freak statistical anomaly, you can't really project him to continue this kind of dominance without amping up the K's a bit.

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    Re: What more does Cueto have to do to prove he's an ace?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldXOhio View Post
    Threatening to beat Jay Bruce's azzz if he doesn't hit the cutoff man would be a good start.
    This is sarcastic isn't it?

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    Re: What more does Cueto have to do to prove he's an ace?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexad View Post
    He needs to get in the faces of the offense and let them know how unhappy he is getting a loss for giving up one or two runs a game and getting nothing from the offense to support him. That is being an ace!!
    No it isn't.


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