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    Arroyo and the trade deadline

    If the Reds acquire a new good pitcher at the deadline, he would join Cueto, Leake, Bailey, Willis with Wood and Volquez hanging around AAA.

    Is there still room for Arroyo?
    Should the Reds try and trade his contract?
    Would anyone be interested given his subpar season?

    Or is Bronson just having an off-year with mono and all? Is he the solid fourth or fifth starter, a veteran, who ultimately will come through?

    Personally, I wouldn't want to trade Leake. He has a GABP type pitching arsenal, lots of grounders. I wouldn't want to trade Bailey who may finally be on the brink of good things. And I wouldn't give up so fast on Willis, who has looked good so far.

    Would there still be room for Bronson after an acquisition?

    How to handle?
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    Re: Arroyo and the trade deadline

    What are you going do with all that money?

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    Re: Arroyo and the trade deadline

    No one wants that contract. He still has two years left after that. Arroyo isn't great, but he's not horrible, so it's not a total burden to have him on the staff. Come July 2013, however, a team might call if he's still serviceable.

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    Re: Arroyo and the trade deadline

    To spin on my post from another thread...

    Could you trade Votto to the Yankees, include Arroyo and his contract in the deal, and get enough in Granderson/pitching prospects to make it worthwhile while freeing up money for the future?

    Worth consideration.
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    Re: Arroyo and the trade deadline

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Arroyo practically has a no-trade clause. (In April, it's official because of 10/5 rights.) The reason I say that is because due to the terms of Arroyo's contract, the Reds would need to pay him something like $13M upfront just to trade him. What could an opposing team possibly offer that would involve the Reds signing a $13M check and trading away Arroyo? Even if the Reds were receiving Bryce Harper, what team would offer someone of that caliber for Arroyo? Unless he forces his way out of town through the media, Arroyo's a Red through the end of 2013. Get used to it.

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    Re: Arroyo and the trade deadline

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Arroyo practically has a no-trade clause. (In April, it's official because of 10/5 rights.) The reason I say that is because due to the terms of Arroyo's contract, the Reds would need to pay him something like $13M upfront just to trade him. What could an opposing team possibly offer that would involve the Reds signing a $13M check and trading away Arroyo? Even if the Reds were receiving Bryce Harper, what team would offer someone of that caliber for Arroyo? Unless he forces his way out of town through the media, Arroyo's a Red through the end of 2013. Get used to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REDblooded View Post
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    Re: Arroyo and the trade deadline

    The only team I could see Arroyo being traded to is Boston. They have had issues with the health of the starters and if Arroyo would be happy reworking things to go anywhere it would seem to be Boston. That said I would think this a lot more likely if the Reds were 10 out and without any hope. Plus even with his struggles this year the fact the Reds just signed him up for 3 years over the offseason makes me think that they are wanting him around even with this not being his best year.

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    Re: Arroyo and the trade deadline

    As cami said.... Arroyo is a Red through the end of his contract. I don't mind Walt Jocketty as a GM, but he has come up with some interesting deals to guys well into their 30's the past two seasons (Rolen and Arroyo) that really are going to bite us.

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    Re: Arroyo and the trade deadline

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    What are you going do with all that money?
    I couldn't help but think of Ocean's 11 with this.

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    Re: Arroyo and the trade deadline

    No guarantee that his mono goes away in the off-season either. That is a disease that if you have it chronically which I assume Arroyo might, can linger for some time. It's not debilitating to the point where he won't be able to make starts, but it's possible that he feels the effects of it for years. It's not always something that you just get over. Only his doctors know if it's acute or chronic that is afflicting him.
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    Re: Arroyo and the trade deadline

    After 19 starts Bronson Arroyo has allowed 26 HRs. Last season, he “only” allowed 29. Arroyo currently averages a HR every 19.5 batters he faces, which is even worse than Eric Milton’s 2005 season with the Reds, which was 1 every 21.4 batters faced.

    At the current pace, by seasons end, Arroyo would allow 43 HRs, and his HR allowed per batter rate would eclipse not only Milton’s aforementioned rate but also the 2000 version of Rob Bell whose insanely pitiful rate of 1 HR allowed for every 19.35 batters faced could be the worst in team history for those who have allowed 20 HRs a season or more.

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    HOMERUNS                      YEAR     HR       BFP      IP       ERA     RSAA      PCT    
    1    Eric Milton              2005       40      855    186.1    -2.24      -41     .348   
    2    Tom Browning             1988       36     1001    250.2     0.04        6     .783   
    T3   Sammy Ellis              1966       35      960    221      -1.69      -26     .387   
    T3   Aaron Harang             2008       35      793    184.1     -.49       -8     .261   
    T5   Ramon Ortiz              2005       34      755    171.1    -1.13      -16     .450   
    T5   Ken Raffensberger        1950       34     1026    239       -.11        4     .424   
    T7   Jim Merritt              1969       33     1072    251       -.78      -22     .654   
    T7   Bill Gullickson          1987       33      698    165       -.77      -11     .476   
    T9   Elmer Dessens            2001       32      862    205       -.12       -4     .417   
    T9   Tom Browning             1991       32      983    230.1     -.49       -4     .500   
    T9   Rob Bell                 2000       32      618    140.1     -.37        0     .467   
    T12  Bronson Arroyo           2006       31      992    240.2     1.20       41     .560   
    T12  Bronson Arroyo           2009       31      923    220.1     0.36        7     .536   
    T12  Brett Tomko              1999       31      744    172       -.35       -7     .417   
    T12  Tom Browning             1989       31     1031    249.2     0.11        8     .556   
    T12  Jay Hook                 1960       31      939    222       -.74      -19     .379   
    T17  Mario Soto               1985       30     1055    256.2     0.02        5     .444   
    T17  Jose Acevedo             2004       30      704    157.2    -1.62      -34     .294   
    T17  Steve Parris             2000       30      861    192.2     -.17        4     .414   
    T17  Danny Graves             2003       30      741    169      -1.04      -20     .211

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    Re: Arroyo and the trade deadline

    Good stuff as usual from woy. It leads me to ask all...

    A strikeout is just another out. Seems to be the consensus here (and I agree!). Is a HR just another run? No different than back-to-back doubles. No different than a single-SB-single. Granted the two afore-mentioned runs require two hits and a HR requires one hit. A HR can clear the bases, but so can a triple or a double (and of course the HR scores one more, the batter).

    Not arguing that HRs allowed is a good thing. But can it be overrated when judging someone like Bronson Arroyo or anyone else that stands 60'6" from the plate when on the field?
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    Re: Arroyo and the trade deadline

    I'm not looking forward to Arroyo's start tonight vs. the Braves. We've been down this "big game" road with him before and he's bombed. Throw in the fact that it's about 150 degrees and the ball should be jumping out of GABP tonight - not a recipe for Bronson Arroyo success, particularly going against Jurrjens.

    In my opinion, Arroyo had the most disappointing start of the year when he started the first game of the Indians series at home and proceeded to get lit up with HR after HR early in the game.

    Throw in another big crowd tonight, lots of Atlanta fans, going against Atlanta's ace and the temperature, and it's just not a game that I think Arroyo can be successful in at all.

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    Re: Arroyo and the trade deadline

    I would think the # of baserunners on base when the HR is hit is more important. But really, this isn't something I've read about nor thought that much about.

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