Assuming the same cost in prospects, who would you rather have?
Assuming the same cost in prospects, who would you rather have?
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I voted for Shields.
I love them both, but while I actually would prefer Ubaldo in terms of talent (all things being equal), I think Shields is a better option because he's signed for the third year and he'd likely require slightly less than Colorado is demanding.
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I went with Shields for the reasons Brutus mentioned. That contract is just too team-friendly to pass up.
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The traditionalist that I inherited from my father, really makes it hard picking Shields based upon his 2010 ERA, but the SABRmatic inside me overruled it. I love the way Shields limits the walk and I really like his contract better than Ubaldo. Even if we offered the same package to both Colorado and Tampa, I think I would rather have Tampa accept it.
That being said, I think the price is much higher for Ubaldo than Shields, so I think Shields would come cheaper. I also think Tampa is more willing to deal. I really think Walt can and should deal for Shields and I think he can get it done without giving up Mes.
I love that Shields pitches in the same division as the Yanks and Sox and has 7 complete games.. I just think he'd cost more in terms of prospects and money. I chose Jimenez because I think he can frontline this rotation for years to come. He is younger then Shields and is signed through 2013 a cheap price. His numbers aren't as well as last year but he pitches in Coors and has been electric for about a month and a half now.
I took Jiminez for his GB tendancies. I'd worry about Shields giving up too many HR in GABP for 3 more years. Plus he's a bit more expensive.
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Shields. Don't like Ubaldo's mechanics/chances of staying durable.
Check out my last post on the "Predictions" thread.
Wood, Bailey, Volquez and Francisco for Jimenez
Alonso, Grandal, and Sappelt for Shields
Reds win the pennant and have an affordable, dominant rotation for the next three years. Also still have all the key offensive players in place including Mez, and don't touch any of the lower minors guys (ie the future once this cycle ends). A pipe dream for sure but a good one at that:
Jimenez
Shields
Cueto
Leake
Arroyo/Willis/Chapman
Last edited by Benihana; 07-21-2011 at 05:13 PM.
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Jimenez
Shields
Cueto
Leake
Arroyo/Willis/Chapman
Lions, Tigers, and Bears - OH MY!
I like Shields, but mostly because I think he would cost less in terms of prospects.
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Ooops ... accidentally voted for "neither, I'd rather get a bat." While I would love - LOVE - to get a big bat in LF, I meant to vote for James Shields.
I voted for Shields. I like the idea of the Reds getting an AL East pitcher.
Also, I am a little suspicious of the Rockies' motive for moving Jiminez. It just doesn't seem like their mode of operation. His contract isn't bad. He is pitching well enough. The Rockies' fan base has to be thinking that team is about to pull off another second half run. So, why trade him unless there is some worry about some aspect of his future...like his drop in velocity.
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I'll take either one, seriously. I think James' contract favors the Reds more.
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