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    2 trades the Reds need to make

    James Shields to the Reds

    for

    Yonder Alonso, Yasmani Grandal, Todd Frazier, Kyle Lotzkar, and Philippe Valiquette

    Its a lot to give up in 2 top 10 prospects 2 top 20 and a top 30 but the Reds need a top end of the rotation guy to go along with Cueto. Plus he's under contract for 3 more years and he's only 29. This would be a good trade both ways.


    Ryan Ludwick to the Reds

    for

    Chris Heisey or Dave Sappelt either or and Donnie Joseph.

    Worst part of this deal would be that Ludwick is a FA after the season. But he would be a upgrade to our current LF and clean up hitting situations.

    Lineup and rotation after trades.
    Phillips
    Cozart
    Votto
    Ludwick
    Bruce
    Rolen
    Stubbs
    Hernandez/Hannigan

    Rotation
    Cueto
    Shields
    Leake
    Willis/Bailey
    Arroyo/Bailey

    Looks solid.

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    Re: 2 trades the Reds need to make

    Quote Originally Posted by fewfirstchoice View Post
    James Shields to the Reds

    for

    Yonder Alonso, Yasmani Grandal, Todd Frazier, Kyle Lotzkar, and Philippe Valiquette

    Its a lot to give up in 2 top 10 prospects 2 top 20 and a top 30 but the Reds need a top end of the rotation guy to go along with Cueto. Plus he's under contract for 3 more years and he's only 29. This would be a good trade both ways.


    Ryan Ludwick to the Reds

    for

    Chris Heisey or Dave Sappelt either or and Donnie Joseph.

    Worst part of this deal would be that Ludwick is a FA after the season. But he would be a upgrade to our current LF and clean up hitting situations.

    Lineup and rotation after trades.
    Phillips
    Cozart
    Votto
    Ludwick
    Bruce
    Rolen
    Stubbs
    Hernandez/Hannigan

    Rotation
    Cueto
    Shields
    Leake
    Willis/Bailey
    Arroyo/Bailey

    Looks solid.
    I would never trade Heisey to rent Ryan Ludwick. I wouldn't even make that trade if Ludwick wasn't a rental.

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    Re: 2 trades the Reds need to make

    Heisey is never going to be more than a 4th OF.

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    Re: 2 trades the Reds need to make

    Quote Originally Posted by fewfirstchoice View Post
    Heisey is never going to be more than a 4th OF.
    same 4 stubbs?

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    Re: 2 trades the Reds need to make

    What about this?

    Rays get Alonso, Wood, Grandal, Smith, Duran

    Reds Get Shields, Zobrist

    and

    Giants get Hernandez, Ptbnl

    Reds get Javier Lopez

    and

    Braves get Johhny Gomes

    Reds get ptbnl or cash

    and

    Padres get Heisey, ptbnl

    Reds get Ludwick

    Thoughts?

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    Re: 2 trades the Reds need to make

    Okay here we go..talk about blockbuster..

    Reds send Yonder and Devin M to Rays for Shields
    Reds send Bailey and Stubbs to Houston for Pence
    Reds send Wood/Fransico/Heisey/EV/another minor leaguer to Rockies for Ubaldo J.

    Reds new rotation is:

    Cueto
    Ubaldo
    Shields
    Leake
    Bronson

    BO:

    Cozart - SS
    Phillips - 2nd
    Votto - 1st
    Pence - LF
    Bruce - RF
    Herenandez - C
    Rolen - 3rd
    Sapplet - CF
    Last edited by brm7675; 07-22-2011 at 01:41 PM.

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    Re: 2 trades the Reds need to make

    i like the idea of getting shields, but i wouldn't give up the farm to get him. We will see what happens, but i do think we need to get an ACE and a bat before the deadline. I also think hernandez needs to go.
    Just a dude who loves the reds, and some new sneakers.

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    Re: 2 trades the Reds need to make

    Trade speculation=good times

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    Re: 2 trades the Reds need to make

    Quote Originally Posted by fewfirstchoice View Post
    James Shields to the Reds

    for

    Yonder Alonso, Yasmani Grandal, Todd Frazier, Kyle Lotzkar, and Philippe Valiquette

    Its a lot to give up in 2 top 10 prospects 2 top 20 and a top 30 but the Reds need a top end of the rotation guy to go along with Cueto. Plus he's under contract for 3 more years and he's only 29. This would be a good trade both ways.


    Ryan Ludwick to the Reds

    for

    Chris Heisey or Dave Sappelt either or and Donnie Joseph.

    Worst part of this deal would be that Ludwick is a FA after the season. But he would be a upgrade to our current LF and clean up hitting situations.

    Lineup and rotation after trades.
    Phillips
    Cozart
    Votto
    Ludwick
    Bruce
    Rolen
    Stubbs
    Hernandez/Hannigan

    Rotation
    Cueto
    Shields
    Leake
    Willis/Bailey
    Arroyo/Bailey

    Looks solid.
    Way to much to give up for Ryan Ludwick.

    Heisey is better than Ludwick now.
    Last edited by FireDusty; 07-22-2011 at 03:54 PM.

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    Re: 2 trades the Reds need to make

    Why do people want Ludwick? He's an old average rent a player. We have Heisey, Gomes, Sappelt, Dorn and others who can probably give us just as much.

    I don't want Ludwick. Waste of a trade.
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    Re: 2 trades the Reds need to make

    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    Okay here we go..talk about blockbuster..

    Reds send Yonder and Devin M to Rays for Shields
    Reds send Bailey and Stubbs to Houston for Pence
    Reds send Wood/Fransico/Heisey/EV/another minor leaguer to Rockies for Ubaldo J.

    Reds new rotation is:

    Cueto
    Ubaldo
    Shields
    Leake
    Bronson

    BO:

    Cozart - SS
    Phillips - 2nd
    Votto - 1st
    Pence - LF
    Bruce - RF
    Herenandez - C
    Rolen - 3rd
    Sapplet - CF
    You know, call me crazy and say that's a lot to give up (the three trades combined), but that would be an absolute sick lineup AND statement. Cueto, Ubaldo and Shields? Sick.

    Hunter Pence, in my opinion, while people know he is good, is one of if not THE most underrated outfielder in the game. He is a big time player.. I am a huge Hunter Pence fan.

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    Re: 2 trades the Reds need to make

    Why are people willing to give up our top prospect at FB in Yonder when in 2 years they are saying we are not going to afford Votto? Not been a baseball fan for to long so this is a honest question. Is there other options at FB?

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    Re: 2 trades the Reds need to make

    They need a big bat and a #1 type pitcher

    The Bat gets them to the playoffs
    The Pitcher gets them out of the 1st round of the playoffs

    Do they have enough chips to land two good players?

    Shields would be great for the pitcher, hell he shut down the Yankees the last two times he faced them

    But what is the bat they could get, Ludwick is no better than what we already have

    Ludwick .693 OPS
    Current LF'ers on Reds .683

    .010 OPS is not worth giving up any players for

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    Re: 2 trades the Reds need to make

    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    Okay here we go..talk about blockbuster..

    Reds send Yonder and Devin M to Rays for Shields
    Reds send Bailey and Stubbs to Houston for Pence
    Reds send Wood/Fransico/Heisey/EV/another minor leaguer to Rockies for Ubaldo J.

    Reds new rotation is:

    Cueto
    Ubaldo
    Shields
    Leake
    Bronson

    BO:

    Cozart - SS
    Phillips - 2nd
    Votto - 1st
    Pence - LF
    Bruce - RF
    Herenandez - C
    Rolen - 3rd
    Sapplet - CF
    I'd love with a capital L to get Pence, but I'd go with this lineup instead

    Pence Lf
    Cozrart ss
    Phillips 2nd
    Votto 1rst
    Hernandez C
    Bruce rf
    Stubbs cf
    whoever's playing 3rd


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