Sorry to go back a few pages. I definitely agree we swindled the Raiders, but I'll take a stab at forming an argument that justifies the trade. So, at his worst, Carson is about a league average QB. At his best, he might be in the top 7 (this # is completely arbitrary). First off, many league average QBs are drafted in the 1st round. The cream of the crop QBs go in the first 10 picks. Obviously there are diamonds in the rough (rodgers), but usually late 1st round qbs are hit or miss. This year, their record already puts them in position to have a mid-late 1st round pick. With Carson, you are getting a guarantee. His QB rating is relatively stable and unlike draft picks, you know what kind of production you're getting. It's not going to be top 5, or top 10, but it's average, and possibly better. They now have a decent qb that is fairly consistent under center for the next 4 years. So, in that respect, he might be worth a 1st rounder and a second rounder. They can win now, avoid the gamble associated with the draft and solidify qb for the next few years, and maybe brighten the day of a few bengals fans.
I'm sure this has been brought up before but does anyone know of a Bengals message board with semi-intelligent discussion and less of the stupid banners and avatars?
What is it about NFL message boards? Is there something in the demographic that screams, "I have to have a custom designed banner that takes up half the computer screen"?
I just want a RedsZone-like discussion on the Bengals. Like this thread, but just more detail.
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He knew all about Mike Brown in 2005 when he signed that huge extension. I can understand being fed up with Mikey, I despise the guy. But no one put a gun to his head and made him sign that extension.
And it's not as if Carson exactly took a huge risk here. He admittedly already had 80 million in the bank. If he never took another snap he was already rich enough to keep his great grandkids from ever having to work.
A lot of people have questioned Carson's will to win over the years, through his quotes and through his demeanor on the sidelines, etc. To me this is just another example of that. Rather than dig in and be a part of the solution, he simply gave up and went home. But I'd love to run into him some day and thank him so much for making The Bengals a much better team without him.
I was playing Madden 2007 the past few nights and I realized in just 4 years there are only a few Bengals left from that team. Geathers, Whitworth, frostee, and Williams is all I could remember. Pollack, Thurman, Tab Perry, Chris Perry, rudi, housh, braham, Dexter Jackson, shayne, Tory James, deltha, John Thornton, chris Henry, Brian Simmons, justin smith, stinko, and Carson all out of football, on other teams, or unfortunately deceased.
I'm sure that all of you realize that if Campbell had broken that collar bone three days later Little Mikey wouldn't have gotten anything at all for Palmer.
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Not true at all. The two times when Carson would have the most value were leading up to this trade deadline if a team got desperate, and the lead up and day of the next NFL draft. Carson was still going to be a wanted asset then.
I was fine keeping him till then because there would be a bigger market to compete for him. Sure we lucked out with Oakland becoming extremely desperate to win this year, but that's kinda how these kinda deals work. The alternative was dumping him for a 2nd/3rd or something along those lines just to get rid of him. That was obviously not the right thing to do.
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