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    Good for Carson. Class guy as opposed to lil' Mikey. Who called who's bluff? It think Carson called Mike's bluff and Mikey blicked. Carson didn't need to deal with an idiot and got tired of it. Mikey finally picked up on the idea that he had to expend a draft pick for another quarterback and there was nothing coming back to him. As usual, Mikey looked at the cost factor and, finally, the light bulb came on that he was the loser in the deal. Don't congratulate Mikey, congratulate Carson.

    Of course, the caveat is that the Bengals actually do something positive with the draft picks, which, honestly, I'm not confident will happen.

    I hope Carson comes in here next year and kicks the Bengals' (read Mike Brown) butt.

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    Mike Brown is his own devil and I don't think anybody here would dispute that, but when I think of the old adage "Nobody Likes a Quitter", I think of Carson Palmer. When he does come back to PBS (either this season in the playoffs or next regular season), he will see just how bad and unforgiving Cincinnati fans can be.

    SOP isn't an angel, but Palmer isn't a saint either. The only fortunate thing for Carson was that he had enough money to retire on that some of us on here can only dream about. Could anybody here imagine what would happen if we did a similar situation to Carson in real life?

    As was mentioned though, Palmer accomplished more by quitting. The Bengals have a young QB who unlike Palmer can manage an offense, an innovative offensive coordinator, cutting loose a primadonna wide receiver, and potentially two first round picks (one guaratneed).
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    Re: 2011 Bengals Discussion

    I know this is beyond early, but with two first round draft picks, what would your strategy be?

    I would use both to improve the offensive line. I would guess we could be picking mid to late first round and would have some intriguing options:

    Andrew Datko (OT-Florida State)
    David DeCastro (OG-Stanford)
    Mike Brewster (C-Ohio State)
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    I know this is beyond early, but with two first round draft picks, what would your strategy be?

    I would use both to improve the offensive line. I would guess we could be picking mid to late first round and would have some intriguing options:

    Andrew Datko (OT-Florida State)
    David DeCastro (OG-Stanford)
    Mike Brewster (C-Ohio State)
    The Bengals extended Cook, so I doubt they take a center. I would imagine interior offensive line, corner, and running back will be addressed in the first three rounds. They could also land a decent free agent to fill one of those needs with all of their cap space, but I suspect Mikey will use that cap room to extend a lot of the young defenders in the front seven. If there is a guard that grades out as a first rounder, that's where I'd like to see them go.

    I wonder if the Bengals would toy with moving Clements to safety and grabbing a corner with one of their first round picks. I'd imagine they'd take a corner early anyway and make either Clements or the rookie the nickel, but I think Clements might excel at safety and be able to extend his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post
    The opposite of everything rem just said.
    MB came out smelling like a rose. You can't name 4 QB's in the league that could be traded for 2 first round picks...wow! Mike Brown saved millions on the contract as well. This trade has the potential of being as lopsided as the Viking-Cowboy trade that sent Hershel Walker to Minn. It took years for the Vikings to recover from that.

    No matter what happens this year the Bengals future looks bright.
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Listening to Palmer talk, watching him, it just makes me feel even better about him being gone. No fire, doesn't even seem like he wants to be there. He looks like a deer caught in the headlights. Self preservation competitiveness will kick in, but I don't see the drive of a winner. That said, if the offensive line gives him plenty of time he will do well enough.
    Thank goodness for baseball.

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    I want a running back and a corner. You can get a guard in round 2 or later, and they don't need a tackle, so I'd rather they not draft a lineman in round 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PickOff View Post
    Listening to Palmer talk, watching him, it just makes me feel even better about him being gone. No fire, doesn't even seem like he wants to be there. He looks like a deer caught in the headlights. Self preservation competitiveness will kick in, but I don't see the drive of a winner. That said, if the offensive line gives him plenty of time he will do well enough.
    I remember on Mike and Mike a couple years ago that they had some specialist who did psyche evals on players during the draft and his assessment of Palmer was similar to what you are saying. He wasn't the type who had that fire/drive to be successful. Apparently the group he worked for had studied all superbowl winning QBs and whatever type 'brain' Palmer was had never won a super bowl.

    Now, before I'm accused of Carson bashing, I'll admit here that he was one of my favorite Bengals of all time. However, when he did what he did, he lost all goodwill from me. I'll be booing when he comes to town next year. This ain't Sean Casey getting dealt to clear cap space and because Votto was on the way in the next season or two. This is a guy who took his ball and went home.

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    1st in 2011 and 2nd in 2012 round guaranteed? Sounds good to me.
    I as a Raider fan actually like it. We've botched so many early round picks the last couple decades that I like getting a known quantity. I also find it funny that theres a lot of comparisons flying already about another "washed up" qb that Oakland "rescued" in Jim Plunkett. I would definately not mind at all trading that much if it meant a super bowl championship. Palmer is rested, ready, and has experience with Hue Jackson (was Bengal WR coach). I know I haven't said this much since Gruden left but I underestimated the Raider FO this offseason. We shall see if it continues 4-2 feels GREAT (and we're a bad half away from being 5-1).
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Foster View Post
    MB came out smelling like a rose. You can't name 4 QB's in the league that could be traded for 2 first round picks...wow! Mike Brown saved millions on the contract as well. This trade has the potential of being as lopsided as the Viking-Cowboy trade that sent Hershel Walker to Minn. It took years for the Vikings to recover from that.

    No matter what happens this year the Bengals future looks bright.
    Not a chance this approaches that deal. You got 2 picks compared to the Vikes giving up basically 2 whole drafts (plus a lot of luck with those picks). Raiders seem to have better luck drafting later anyways.
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    Mike Brown really is looking like a genius. The Bengals are in REALLY good shape right now. If they don't make the playoffs this year, I think they're a lock next year and for the foreseeable future as long as they keep the off the field stuff in check.

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    Mike Brown is not a genius.

    Hue Jackson has been trying to get Carson since the season started. How ever, he had an owner that did not want to make a trade. He also had a second QB.

    The perfect storm happened. The owner died, the QB got injured, and the cards suddenly fell into Brown's lap. The only reason he had Palmer is because there were no offers good enough to make him appease Palmer. He was very immature and took a pefect storm in the week of the deadline to make things happen.

    He's no more a genius than the poker player who gets a pair of two's on the flop after going in with 2-7 off suit.

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    Re: 2011 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    I am not really trying to defend Carson. I think he has been on a steadily decline ever since he had the elbow injury. I do do think that playing the Steelers and Ravens twice each a season shouldn't be overlooked when comparing him to Campbell.

    I am actually glad Carson forced the Bengals hand here. It was evident that he was trending in the wrong direction but with the financial commitment and "franchise QB title" the Bengals weren't going to head in another direction. Many teams too often hold onto aging QB's for too long because of the aforementioned aspects. Ever since his elbow injury I thought the Bengals should have invested a 2-3-4th round pick on a backup QB to groom. Until Carson gave his ultimatum the Bengals weren't going to head in that direction.

    Its only icing on the cake to know that the Bengals will have two extra high draft picks as well as some serious cap space heading into the next few years. Oh yea, and a young team that is getting better each and every week.
    Completely agreed . Dare I say it.... especially after how disenchanted I was this winter... but it's good to be a Bengals fan right now.

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    Re: 2011 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    Mike Brown is not a genius.

    Hue Jackson has been trying to get Carson since the season started. How ever, he had an owner that did not want to make a trade. He also had a second QB.

    The perfect storm happened. The owner died, the QB got injured, and the cards suddenly fell into Brown's lap. The only reason he had Palmer is because there were no offers good enough to make him appease Palmer. He was very immature and took a pefect storm in the week of the deadline to make things happen.

    He's no more a genius than the poker player who gets a pair of two's on the flop after going in with 2-7 off suit.
    He's not a genius, no, but he handled this situation perfectly. His patience paid off. Maybe it wasn't the way he intended it, but still, this thing couldn't have fallen into place any better for this franchise. And seeing as how Mike runs the team, he deserves a healthy dose of credit for that.

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    Re: 2011 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    I know this is beyond early, but with two first round draft picks, what would your strategy be?

    I would use both to improve the offensive line. I would guess we could be picking mid to late first round and would have some intriguing options:

    Andrew Datko (OT-Florida State)
    David DeCastro (OG-Stanford)
    Mike Brewster (C-Ohio State)
    Pick 1 - Cliff Harris, CB, Oregon
    Pick 2 - David DeCastro, G, Stanford

    It's POSSIBLE Richardson could fall to us, but I doubt it. If he doesn't, I'd wait until the 2nd round to draft a RB. MJD, McCoy, Forte, Rice, Tate - all 2nd rounders.
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    Palmer did what most of us would do if we worked in a place we didn't want to be. He quit. I don't hold that against him at all.
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