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Thread: We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

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    We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

    Unless one of them learns how to stop striking out. You can't have two everyday outfielders who strike out (esp in clutch situations) as much as those two do. Maybe you can put up with one of them, especially if they have a lot of "pop" when the ARE on.

    Sorry Stubbsy, but that describes Bruce more than you. Especially with his arm, I would have to vote to keep him.

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    Re: We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

    Of course we can. Stubbs is a premier CF defender, the best source of steals on the team, and one of our few sources of power at the moment. It's not like we have a lot of CF depth; if we trade Stubbs, we're left with Sappelt and Heisey as the only center fielders remotely close to the majors in the org.

    They're still young and streaky, and their K rates will improve. Keep them both.

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    Re: We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

    we just need a lf and have a set lineup

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    Re: We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

    Part of the problem is that we have a manager that pencils him at leadoff in spite of Stubbs' own declaration that he's more comfortable batting lower in the lineup.

    Freddie Lewis' career OBP is 22 points higher than Stubbs', and this year he's 31 points higher.

    He's also been primarily a leadoff hitter in the past. Has Baker even hit him there once?

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    Re: We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

    I'm of the belief that Reds fans overvalue Stubbs and Bruce.

    They strikeout way too much for me.
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    Re: We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    I'm of the belief that Reds fans overvalue Stubbs and Bruce.

    They strikeout way too much for me.
    True that.... and if Hisey continues to be the starter in LF, the Reds could have the highest OF K rate in MLB, or maybe they already do.

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    Re: We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

    sure you can keep them both

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    Re: We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

    I have no problems going forward with both. If we can address our leadoff position I think Stubbs would be a lot more valuable. Also, if we can get a real bat to hit between Votto and Bruce I think Bruce would benefit from it, along with BP who is obviously doing something he's not really comfortable doing right now.

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    Re: We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

    Quote Originally Posted by The DARK View Post
    Of course we can. Stubbs is a premier CF defender, the best source of steals on the team, and one of our few sources of power at the moment. It's not like we have a lot of CF depth; if we trade Stubbs, we're left with Sappelt and Heisey as the only center fielders remotely close to the majors in the org.

    They're still young and streaky, and their K rates will improve. Keep them both.
    Stubbs runs fast, that does not make him a premier CF defender. HI-C is a better CF defender

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    Re: We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

    Quote Originally Posted by Krawhitham View Post
    Stubbs runs fast, that does not make him a premier CF defender. HI-C is a better CF defender
    Evidence? Heisey is good, but he doesn't have anywhere near Stubbs's range.

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    Re: We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

    Quote Originally Posted by The DARK View Post
    Of course we can. Stubbs is a premier CF defender, the best source of steals on the team, and one of our few sources of power at the moment. It's not like we have a lot of CF depth; if we trade Stubbs, we're left with Sappelt and Heisey as the only center fielders remotely close to the majors in the org.

    They're still young and streaky, and their K rates will improve. Keep them both.
    Stubbs is NOT a premier defensive CF. He's extremely fast. Big difference.

    Deion Sanders was as fast as anyone to ever play for the Reds, but he was a bad defender. I'm not saying Stubbs is bad, but he's not premier/elite. He struggles royally on deep balls hit directly at him. Granted, that's the toughest play for a CF to make, but if you're going to label him "premier," he can't butcher as many of those as he has this year.
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    Re: We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

    Quote Originally Posted by Krawhitham View Post
    Stubbs runs fast, that does not make him a premier CF defender. HI-C is a better CF defender
    I don't see it. Remember the 8 run lead that was pissed away against the Cardinals with Heisey in CF? If I remember there were two balls hit to center that Stubbs would've easily got to that Heisey misplayed.

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    Re: We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

    You do not trade talents like Stubbs/Bruce just because they strikeout to much. Is it frustrating? Yes, but a strikeout is just another out.

    The fact is, Drew Stubbs was a 5.2 WAR level player last year and is at 2.7 this year.

    Bruce put up a .850 OPS last year with excellent defense as a 23 year old. Just think about that. Jay Bruce is still only 24 years old, younger than several of the games top prospects. Even this version of Jay Bruce is a valuable player.

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    Re: We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

    Quote Originally Posted by Krawhitham View Post
    Stubbs runs fast, that does not make him a premier CF defender. HI-C is a better CF defender
    Heisey's defensive WAR: -0.3
    Stubbs' defensive WAR: 0.9

    Stubbs' defense has regressed a bit this year, but he is still a much better defender than Heisey.

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    Re: We can't keep both Stubbs & Bruce

    I'd love to see them make a push for Bourne though I fear Houston is asking for the farm. Then this off season try and get Kemp using a package surrounding Stubbs.

    Bourne
    Cozart
    Votto
    Kemp
    Bruce
    Phillips
    Frazier (whoever's at third)
    Mez

    That would be a pretty darn solid lineup. Highly unlikely, but hey a guy can dream right?


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