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    Furcal to St. Louis

    It looks like Furcal is being dealt to St. Louis. I don't know the details of the trade but it looks like its a done deal. He is having a down year due to injuries earlier this season but has really picked it up recently and will certainly be a huge defensive upgrade over Ryan Theriot.

    Edit: Looks like they will be taking on his salary and really no prospects are given up.
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    Sounds like you couldn't wait to tell us...
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    Re: Furcal to St. Louis

    Furcal is too old and fragile. Tough week to be a fan of an nl central team.

    Cardinals make moves fans generally disagree with
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    Astros lose Pence
    Pirates lose on terrible call
    Reds and Cubs just lose
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Re: Furcal to St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck View Post
    Furcal is too old and fragile. Tough week to be a fan of an nl central team.

    Cardinals make moves fans generally disagree with
    Brewers lose Weeks
    Astros lose Pence
    Pirates lose on terrible call
    Reds and Cubs just lose
    I think a good number of Cards fans were glad to see Rasmus move on. The guy will never live up to his potential here. As far as Furcal goes, you are right that he is older but he still is a significant upgrade to what the Cards are throwing at short every night. Theriot has a -18 UZR/150 at short this year. That makes his possibly the worst defensive short stop in the majors. Furcal can still pick the ball and it looks like he is starting to hit again. In his last 14 games, he has a .270 BA with a .400 OBP. The .400 OBP will be big because Cardinals leadoff hitters have been near dead last in OBP since the All Star break. If the Cards get him for very little, I think it would be a low risk/high reward move. It certainly at least helps the defense which has been frankly horrible this year.
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    Re: Furcal to St. Louis

    Looks like the Cards and Brewers are having a tallest midget fight to see which one of them can collect more junk to help them "win" a hapless division one last time before their star player (and in the Cards' case, their manager) bolts for somewhere else and their window significantly closes.

    Have at it boys. But there's really not anything either team has done - especially STL - that would even give them a puncher's chance vs. Philly.

    P.S. - Who was that aging has-been that the Cards desperately picked up last year in August who contributed next to nothing? This seems similar.
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    I think JHJ can help the Brewers filling in for Weeks.

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    Me: "How does Furcal look?" Scout: "You know that guy on Tales From the Crypt?" Defense in particular, he says, is grim. Injuries took toll.
    Two things: 1) The Crypt Keeper, though dead, ran a cool TV show. 2) I still think Furcal was good acquisition. Just not the player he was.
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    Honsetly I'd rather be a Cards or Brewers fan than a Reds fan right now. Both teams are trying to improve their clubs & make the playoffs.
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    Re: Furcal to St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by Will M View Post
    Honsetly I'd rather be a Cards or Brewers fan than a Reds fan right now. Both teams are trying to improve their clubs & make the playoffs.
    That makes sense, as each (particularly the Brewers) have an expiration date much sooner than the Reds.

    Does anyone here thingkthe Reds should be trading prospects for expiring contracts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Does anyone here thingkthe Reds should be trading prospects for expiring contracts?
    Absolutely not. As with most of us here, I am in for the long haul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    That makes sense, as each (particularly the Brewers) have an expiration date much sooner than the Reds.

    Does anyone here thingkthe Reds should be trading prospects for expiring contracts?
    If they would have done it before the season was lost, sure. The Reds expiration date isn't far behind. Run prevention tanks when Philips leaves. Run production goes the following year when Votto goes.

    Meanwhile, Louisville has an exciting team.
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    Re: Furcal to St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    If they would have done it before the season was lost, sure. The Reds expiration date isn't far behind. Run prevention tanks when Philips leaves. Run production goes the following year when Votto goes.

    Meanwhile, Louisville has an exciting team.
    Exactly. Some on here act like the Reds are a dynasty in the making. You do understand that outside of a late summer hot streak last year, this team has done nothing.
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    Re: Furcal to St. Louis

    If you guys have watched Theriot year playing defense all year, you would applaud the move of getting Furcal, lol. Again, as I point out above, Theriot has a -18 UZR/150 this year. I didn't even know having that low of a UZR was possible.

    Yes it is a bad division, we all know this. Still, I would rather make the playoffs and have a chance to go to the World Series than stand pat and wait for next year. When teams get in the playoffs, you never know what will happen. I'll take my chances.

    Its almost a done deal. The Cards are giving up marginal prospects and getting cash in return, from what I understand.

    Basically the Cards in this trade season give up a highly toughted prospect before GM's figure out that he is another BJ Upton, trade away our horrible bullpen guys, marginal minor league prospects in exchange for a defensive upgrade at SS, a starting pitcher, a stud lefty specialist, and a righty specialist.
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    Re: Furcal to St. Louis

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeThierry View Post
    Looks like they will be taking on his salary and really no prospects are given up.
    That's good news for Cardinals fans...especially since they have no prospects to give up. :O) I kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will M View Post
    Honsetly I'd rather be a Cards or Brewers fan than a Reds fan right now. Both teams are trying to improve their clubs & make the playoffs.
    I guess I'm confused... but isn't trying to trade for Jimenez, Shields, Upton, Ludwick, etc. trying to improve the Reds' club?
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