Turn Off Ads?
Results 1 to 9 of 9

Thread: 2012 Cincinnati Reds

  1. #1
    Greatness In The Making RedLegSuperStar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    4,078

    2012 Cincinnati Reds

    At 7 GB I feel that the white flag has been raised & the chance at back to back playoff apperances has come to an end. Magic can happen.. but lets be real! The Pirates are ahead of us and are contending. The flag is at 3/4 staff and on its way up. With that said lets take a look at the 2012 Cincinnati Reds.

    Catcher:
    Devin Mesoraco
    Ryan Hanigan

    Infield:
    Joey Votto
    Brandon Phillips* (Has option that will fully be picked up)
    Zack Cozart
    Scott Rolen
    Miguel Cairo
    Paul Janish

    OF:
    Jay Bruce
    Drew Stubbs
    Chris Heisey
    Yonder Alonso
    Todd Frazier

    Other candidates: Juan Francisco, Dave Seppelt, Chris Valaika

    Starting Rotation:
    Johnny Cueto
    Mike Leake
    Aroldis Chapman
    Bronson Arroyo
    Homer Bailey/Travis Wood/Edison Volquez

    Bullpen:
    Nick Masset
    Bill Bray
    Sam LeCure
    Logan Ondrusek
    Jose Arredondo

    Other candidates: Jarrod Burton, Jordan Smith, Brad Boxberger

    Potential Trade Chips:
    Yasmani Grandel
    Chris Heisey
    Yonder Alonso
    Todd Frazier
    Neftali Soto
    Mike Leake
    Homer Bailey
    Edison Volquez
    Travis Wood

    Needs:
    TOR/Ace
    Left Fielder/Power Bat
    Leadoff
    Closer (Maybe)

    This team could and should deal so chips for needs. If not they will be forced to battle for Free Agents and we know how that typically goes. In my next post I will list the potential Free Agents for 2012.
    Last edited by RedLegSuperStar; 08-02-2011 at 08:30 PM.
    "I could watch video of Griffey swinging all day. It's like baseball porn." - C. Trent Rosecrans


    2008 Reds Record When I Attend: 9W - 5L

    2009 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 2L

    2010 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 0L

    2011 Reds Record When I Attend: 0W - 1L

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    Greatness In The Making RedLegSuperStar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    4,078

    Re: 2012 Cincinnati Reds

    Updated 8-2-11

    Catchers
    Rod Barajas (36)
    Henry Blanco (40)
    Ramon Castro (36)
    Ryan Doumit (31) - $7.25MM club option for 2012, $8.25MM club option for '13 with a $500K buyout
    Ramon Hernandez (36)
    Jason Kendall (38)
    Gerald Laird (32)
    Jose Molina (36)
    Yadier Molina (29) - $7MM club option with a $750K buyout
    Dioner Navarro (28)
    Ivan Rodriguez (40)
    Brian Schneider (35)
    Kelly Shoppach (29) - $3.2MM club option with a $300K buyout
    Chris Snyder (31) - $6.75MM club option with a $750K buyout
    Matt Treanor (36)
    Jason Varitek (40)

    First basemen
    Lance Berkman (36)
    Russell Branyan (36)
    Jorge Cantu (30)
    Michael Cuddyer (33)
    Prince Fielder (28)
    Ross Gload (36)
    Brad Hawpe (33)
    Eric Hinske (34) - $1.5MM club option with a $100K buyout
    Nick Johnson (33)
    Casey Kotchman (29)
    Mark Kotsay (36)
    Derrek Lee (36)
    Xavier Nady (33)
    Lyle Overbay (35)
    Carlos Pena (34)
    Wily Mo Pena (30)
    Albert Pujols (32)

    Second basemen
    Clint Barmes (33)
    Willie Bloomquist (34) - $1.1MM mutual option with a $150K buyout
    Orlando Cabrera (37)
    Robinson Cano (29) - $14MM club option with a $2MM buyout
    Jamey Carroll (37)
    Alex Cora (36)
    Craig Counsell (41)
    Mark Ellis (35)
    Jerry Hairston Jr. (36)
    Aaron Hill (30) - $8MM club option for 2012 and $8MM club option for '13
    Omar Infante (30)
    Joe Inglett (34)
    Kelly Johnson (30)
    Adam Kennedy (36)
    Felipe Lopez (32)
    Jose Lopez (28)
    Julio Lugo (36)
    Aaron Miles (35)
    Augie Ojeda (37)
    Brandon Phillips (31) - $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout

    Shortstops
    Clint Barmes (33)
    Yuniesky Betancourt (30) - $6MM club option with a $2MM buyout
    Orlando Cabrera (37)
    Jamey Carroll (37)
    Ronny Cedeno (29) - $3MM club option with a $200K buyout
    Craig Counsell (41)
    Rafael Furcal (34) - $12MM club option with a $1.3MM buyout
    Alex Gonzalez (34)
    Jerry Hairston Jr. (36)
    Omar Infante (30)
    Cesar Izturis (32)
    Julio Lugo (36)
    John McDonald (37)
    Augie Ojeda (37)
    Nick Punto (34)
    Edgar Renteria (35)
    Jose Reyes (29)
    Jimmy Rollins (33)
    Ramon Santiago (32)
    Marco Scutaro (36) - $6MM club option/$3MM player option with a $1.5MM buyout
    Miguel Tejada (38)
    Jack Wilson (34)

    Third basemen
    Wilson Betemit (30)
    Casey Blake (38) - $6MM club option with a $1.25MM buyout
    Jorge Cantu (30)
    Eric Chavez (34)
    Craig Counsell (41)
    Mark DeRosa (37)
    Greg Dobbs (33)
    Edwin Encarnacion (29) - $3.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Jerry Hairston Jr. (36)
    Wes Helms (36)
    Omar Infante (30)
    Felipe Lopez (32)
    Jose Lopez (28)
    Nick Punto (34)
    Aramis Ramirez (34)
    Miguel Tejada (38)
    Omar Vizquel (45)

    Left fielders
    Pat Burrell (35)
    Jack Cust (33)
    Johnny Damon (37)
    Mark DeRosa (37)
    Jonny Gomes (31)
    Carlos Guillen (36)
    Scott Hairston (32)
    Willie Harris (34)
    Jeremy Hermida (28)
    Eric Hinske (34) - $1.5MM club option with a $100K buyout
    Raul Ibanez (40)
    Joe Inglett (34)
    Conor Jackson (30)
    Reed Johnson (35)
    Austin Kearns (32)
    Ryan Ludwick (33)
    Jason Michaels (36)
    Laynce Nix (31)
    Juan Pierre (34)
    Scott Podsednik (36)
    Juan Rivera (33)
    Matt Stairs (44)
    Marcus Thames (35)
    Josh Willingham (33)

    Center fielders
    Rick Ankiel (32)
    Carlos Beltran (35)
    Willie Bloomquist (34) - $1.1MM mutual option with a $150K buyout
    Mike Cameron (39)
    Coco Crisp (32)
    David DeJesus (32)
    Scott Hairston (32)
    Andruw Jones (35)
    Nate McLouth (30) - $10.65MM club option with a $1.25MM buyout
    Corey Patterson (32)
    Cody Ross (31)
    Grady Sizemore (29) - $8.5MM club option with a $500K buyout

    Right fielders
    Bobby Abreu (38) - $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout; vests with 433 PAs in 2011
    Lance Berkman (36)
    Willie Bloomquist (34) - $1.1MM mutual option with a $150K buyout
    Milton Bradley (34)
    Michael Cuddyer (33)
    David DeJesus (32)
    J.D. Drew (36)
    Jeff Francoeur (28) - $3MM mutual option
    Kosuke Fukudome (35)
    Willie Harris (34)
    Brad Hawpe (33)
    Jeremy Hermida (28)
    Joe Inglett (34)
    Austin Kearns (32)
    Jason Kubel (29)
    Ryan Ludwick (33)
    Xavier Nady (33)
    Magglio Ordonez (38)
    Cody Ross (31)
    Nick Swisher (31) - $10.25MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Josh Willingham (33)

    Designated hitters
    Milton Bradley (34)
    Jack Cust (33)
    Johnny Damon (37)
    Jason Giambi (41)
    Vladimir Guerrero (37)
    Carlos Guillen (36)
    David Ortiz (36)
    Jason Kubel (29)
    Hideki Matsui (38)
    Jorge Posada (40)
    Jim Thome (41)

    Starting pitchers
    Mark Buehrle (33)
    Chris Carpenter (37) - $15MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Bruce Chen (35)
    Bartolo Colon (39)
    Aaron Cook (33) - $11MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
    Kyle Davies (28)
    Doug Davis (36)
    Ryan Dempster (35) - $14MM player option, no buyout
    Zach Duke (29) - $5.5MM club option with a $750K buyout
    Jeff Francis (30)
    Freddy Garcia (36)
    Jon Garland (32) - $8MM club option with a $500K buyout; vests with 190 IP
    Aaron Harang (34) - $5MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
    Rich Harden (30)
    Livan Hernandez (37)
    Edwin Jackson (28)
    Kenshin Kawakami (37)
    Scott Kazmir (28) - $13.5MM club option with a $2.5MM buyout
    Hiroki Kuroda (37)
    Rodrigo Lopez (36)
    Paul Maholm (30) - $9.75MM club option with a $750K buyout
    John Maine (31)
    Jason Marquis (33)
    Kevin Millwood (37)
    Sergio Mitre (31)
    Scott Olsen (28) - $4MM club option with a $100K buyout
    Roy Oswalt (34) - $16MM mutual option with a $2MM buyout
    Brad Penny (34)
    Oliver Perez (30)
    Joel Pineiro (33)
    C.C. Sabathia (31) - may opt out of remaining four years, $92MM
    Javier Vazquez (35)
    Adam Wainwright (30) - $10MM vesting option for '12, $12MM for '13
    Tim Wakefield (45)
    Chien-Ming Wang (32)
    Brandon Webb (33)
    Dontrelle Willis (30)
    C.J. Wilson (31)
    Chris Young (33)

    Closers
    Heath Bell (34)
    Jonathan Broxton (28)
    Matt Capps (28)
    Francisco Cordero (37) - $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Frank Francisco (32)
    Brad Lidge (35) - $12.5MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
    Joe Nathan (37) - $12.5MM club option with a $2MM buyout
    Jonathan Papelbon (31)
    Jon Rauch (33) - $3.75MM club option with a $250K buyout
    Francisco Rodriguez (30)
    Rafael Soriano (32) - $11MM player option or a $1.5MM buyout
    Jose Valverde (34) - $9MM club option, no buyout

    Right-handed relievers
    Danys Baez (34)
    Miguel Batista (41)
    Blaine Boyer (30)
    Dave Bush (32)
    Shawn Camp (36)
    Clay Condrey (36)
    Lance Cormier (31)
    Juan Cruz (31)
    Octavio Dotel (38) - $3.75MM club option with a $750K buyout
    Kyle Farnsworth (36) - $3.3MM club option with a $650K buyout
    Jason Frasor (34) - $3.75MM club option
    LaTroy Hawkins (37)
    Aaron Heilman (33)
    Jason Isringhausen (39)
    Scott Linebrink (35)
    Ryan Madson (31)
    Guillermo Mota (38)
    Micah Owings (29)
    Vicente Padilla (34)
    Joel Peralta (36)
    Mark Prior (31)
    Chad Qualls (33) - $6MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
    Jon Rauch (33) - $3.75MM club option with a $250K buyout
    Chris Ray (30)
    Fernando Rodney (35)
    Takashi Saito (42)
    Jeff Suppan (37)
    Koji Uehara (37) - vesting option
    Dan Wheeler (34) - $3MM club option with no buyout; vests with 65 appearances in 2011
    Kerry Wood (35)
    Jamey Wright (37)
    Michael Wuertz (33) - $3.25MM club option with a $250K buyout
    Joel Zumaya (27)

    Left-handed relievers
    Tim Byrdak (38)
    Randy Flores (36)
    Mike Gonzalez (34)
    John Grabow (33)
    Mark Hendrickson (38)
    Javier Lopez (34)
    Ron Mahay (41)
    Damaso Marte (37) - $4MM club option with a $250K buyout
    Hideki Okajima (36) - can opt for free agency
    Darren Oliver (41)
    Dennys Reyes (35)
    Arthur Rhodes (42) - $4MM club option with a $200K buyout; vests with 62 appearances in 2011
    J.C. Romero (36)
    George Sherrill (35)
    Brian Tallet (34)
    "I could watch video of Griffey swinging all day. It's like baseball porn." - C. Trent Rosecrans


    2008 Reds Record When I Attend: 9W - 5L

    2009 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 2L

    2010 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 0L

    2011 Reds Record When I Attend: 0W - 1L

  4. #3
    Member GADawg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    Athens, Georgia
    Posts
    1,105

    Re: 2012 Cincinnati Reds

    nothing to see here....I don't see the answers to the problems hiding in that list...imo

  5. #4
    Member Captain Hook's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    columbus,ohio
    Posts
    2,201

    Re: 2012 Cincinnati Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by GADawg View Post
    nothing to see here....I don't see the answers to the problems hiding in that list...imo
    I'd be willing to bet that the Cardinals can find the answers to their problems somewhere in that list.Seems like it doesn't matter who they sign, the player seems to work out.

    I agree though.No one jumps out at me as someone who could really make a difference although there are a few RP that could help.

  6. #5
    Brett William Moore Will M's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Crescent Springs KY
    Posts
    3,572

    Re: 2012 Cincinnati Reds

    the team has the exact same issues facing them this offseason that have faced them since last year.

    1) I think the Reds are going to have to spend money better. Arroyo's contract for 2012/2013 & Rolen's contract for 2012 may be money flushed down the toilet.

    2) I think the Reds are going to have to up payroll a bit. This year if the payroll was $10M higher we could have had Haren, Greinke or Marcum. Yet we were not players when these guys were on the market because of salary issues.

    3) IMO Chapman needs to start being stretched out NOW if he is going to be in the rotation in the future. if the team decides to keep him in the pen this year then i'd make him the closer for 2012 & beyond.

    4) I'm not going to get too excited about the team getting a TOR starter or a cleanup hitter until they actually do. burn me 3 times (2010 trade deadline, 2010-2011 off season and 2011 trade deadline) shame on me.

    5) one bright note is that Pujols & Fielder are likely out of the division after this year. however, teams like Philadelphia & San Francisco are starting to look like the Yankees & Red Sox. By that I mean teams that are not just trying to slip into the playoffs but are trying to build juggernauts that can win it all. it seems for years the talent level in baseball was tilted to the AL & now the balance is shifting (or at least not so off kilter)
    .

  7. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Calgary, Alberta, aka, the most prosperous city in the world.
    Posts
    10,391

    Re: 2012 Cincinnati Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Hook View Post
    I'd be willing to bet that the Cardinals can find the answers to their problems somewhere in that list.Seems like it doesn't matter who they sign, the player seems to work out.

    I agree though.No one jumps out at me as someone who could really make a difference although there are a few RP that could help.
    Thta's simply becoming an old wives tale, as the cards got guys like Theriot, Winn, Tallett, Miller, Feliz, Patterson etc over the last few years.

    Their crap stinks too.

  8. #7
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    3,138

    Re: 2012 Cincinnati Reds

    My 2012 Cincinnati Reds:

    Catchers (2)
    Devin Mesoraco
    Ryan Hanigan

    Pretty much everyone should expect this duo. The interesting thing will be if Yasmani Grandal blows up spring training.

    Infield:
    Yonder Alonso/Joey Votto
    Miguel Cairo
    Zack Cozart
    Scott Rolen
    Jimmy Rollins
    Todd Frazier/Chris Valaika

    I fully expect 1 of Votto/Alonso to be traded during the winter. The Other will be starting 1b. I am not as big a fan of Francisco as many here, I would let him play fall ball somewhere in hopes that a gm will "fall in love" with him or polish him up to be a 2nd piece for a major deal. I think Rollins could have the same type of impact that OCab had for this team at shortstop. Valaika, Cozart, and Frazier are allowed to compete for 2b.

    Outfield:
    Drew Stubbs
    Jay Bruce
    Jose Batista/Colby Rasmus
    Dave Sappelt
    Chris Heisey

    Depending on which one gets traded will be the LF.

    Rotation:
    Johnny Cueto
    Mike Leake
    Aroldis Chapman
    Homer Bailey
    Bronson Arroyo

    If Shields is acquired he, Chapman, Cueto, and Leake compete for 1.

    Bullpen
    Nick Masset
    Bill Bray
    Sam LeCure/Matt Maloney
    Logan Ondrusek

    I leave room to try and find another Arthur Rhodes type veteran presence to help the elevation of guys with the departure of Chapman to the rotation and Coco to another team.
    Quote Originally Posted by moewan View Post
    Barmaid to patron "Sir you are slurring, I am going to have to cut you off"

    Patron to barmaid "I'm not slurring, I'm speaking in cursive"


  9. #8
    SSG, Red Army Choir Guacarock's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    Santa Fe, New Mexico
    Posts
    1,125

    Re: 2012 Cincinnati Reds

    OK, here's my early-bird stab at what a decent Reds' roster might look like in 2012. I'm conjuring up two trades as part of the mix, with the Rays and the Royals. Perhaps we end up dealing with the Twins, Orioles, A's, Blue Jays or other prospect-hungry teams instead, so the names of the players involved could change, but I don't see the dynamics being significantly different, budget-wise.

    C
    Mesoraco
    Hanigan

    INF
    Votto
    Phillips
    Cozart
    Rolen
    Brignac
    Francisco/Frazier/Stewart

    OF
    Bruce
    Sappelt
    Melky Cabrera
    Heisey
    Hermida/Lewis

    SP
    Cueto
    Shields
    Leake
    Bailey
    Arroyo

    Relievers
    Lecure -- Long Man
    Ondrusek, Arredondo, Boxberger, Burton, Horst -- Middle Relief
    Masset, Bray -- Setup
    Chapman -- Closer

    Trades

    Alonso, Stubbs and Janish to Rays for Shields, Brignac
    Volquez and Cairo to Royals for Melky Cabrera and LHP prospect (they have quite a few, mostly starters at different stages of development)

    Free-agent signings

    3B Ian Stewart, whose arb is likely to be declined this off-season by the Rockies

    SP Dontrelle Willis, if we're at all worried about Arroyo's health and losing Volquez

    Possibly a reliever, especially if we decline arb for Burton or just want extra insurance/coverage

    Rationale for trades

    Rays have highly coveted SP in their pipeline, but could use cheap, high-voltage positional players at 1B (Alonso) and in the OF (Stubbs, if they let Upton go). We need a reliable, affordable and TOR arm (Shields). Brignac and Janish are both MI prospects who have lost their starting gigs. A switch in leagues/uniforms/scenery might help them find a new groove.

    Royals' Cabrera gives us CF coverage if Sappelt can't step up and fill Stubbs' shoes. Cabrera will get an arb raise in 2012, but still probably receive less than $2.5 million, so we can afford him. If Sappelt does just fine, Cabrera can move to LF and compete with Heisey for the starting gig there. Royals get Volquez from us, a SP with plus-stuff but issues we probably aren't inclined to address any longer. They could make out like bandits with this deal, but we can't obsess about shipping off Hamilton to acquire Volquez, knowing that begat us only Cabrera. If we spin the roulette wheel correctly and snag the right lower-level LHP prospect from the Royals, we could end up alright a few years down the line. Finally, Cairo gives the Royals a replacement for Betemit. I would miss Miggy (he's been very, very good for us), but he's 38, and we need his roster spot to audition Rolen's replacements.

    Which brings us to Frazier, Francisco and free-agent signee Stewart. All have warts but all are young, with some power, and probably just enough defensive chops to handle the hot corner. Let them all compete next spring to be Scott Rolen's understudy and successor. May the best man win. If the best man proves inadequate over 2012, we go to option C, D, E, or trolling again for 2013.

    Would this scenario fill all of our gaps? No. We still wouldn't have a clearcut, cleanup batter to sandwich between Votto and Bruce, and we might need to ask Phillips to continue to handle that role if Bruce doesn't take a step forward. But if we followed this course we would improve by having:

    * A few great lead-off candidates (Sappelt, Cabrera, Cozart), any one or two of which might surpass Stubbs' OBP, if not his speed or power.
    * We would have a steady, TOR-caliber, innings-eater horse in Shields to join our rotation.
    * We would retain a budget within $5 million of this year's.
    * And we would still keep in the fold several battle-ready prospects to help us fill critical positions in the event of injury or performance issues, including Wood (SP), Grandal (C), and the IF-OF guys who lost out in the competition among Francisco, Frazier, Stewart to caddy for Rolen.

    Makes some sense to me, but that's now, and it is still real early in the game. Better options might emerge this winter, and that's OK if we veer and adapt to the opportunities as they emerge. But not OK if we go another winter acting like we don't need a true leadoff man, or some better LH sticks, or a stronger and more dependable rotation.

  10. #9
    THAT'S A FACT JACK!! GAC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    Bellefontaine, Ohio
    Posts
    26,580

    Re: 2012 Cincinnati Reds

    Losing Fielder after this season is gonna put a chink in the Brewer's armor. And I wouldn't count the Pirates out in 2012.

    We've had a down (and puzzling) year. But I still like this team and the potential they show for the future with many of our young players.
    "panic" only comes from having real expectations


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25