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    Re: Reds Front office Blaming attendance why they wont do anything this off season???

    Quote Originally Posted by markymark69 View Post
    I will say this in their defense. The claim is that they didn't spend money this past off-season - not true. They spent 100 plus million to lock up Bruce and Cueto long term, reward Joey Votto, not to mention the raises the other players received because of contracts (Phillips, Arroyo, Cordero). It didn't work so well this year - but if you spent 100 plus million dollars and then are accused of not spending - I'm sure you would be a little miffed by that.

    I can't tell people how to spend their money - and attendance is a critical piece to the Reds budget - we as fans need to remember that. Of course we could back to the Carl Lindner days.
    This is patently false. They did not spend 100 plus million in the over the winter. That is simply and totally untrue.

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    Re: Reds Front office Blaming attendance why they wont do anything this off season???

    But hey, by all means waste a 3 year $36 mil contract of a freaking pitcher you had an OPTION ON that ended up as one of the worst in the NL this year. Yeah, no need to wait it out to see if the guy who constantly has horrible first halves of the season wouldn't eventually not put it all together or anything. This front office is full of fools. Why don't you just sell the team Castelinni, you're not doing crap with it.

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    Re: Reds Front office Blaming attendance why they wont do anything this off season???

    if we do nothing we might aswell say goodjob to whoever does b/c some1 will. we will be watching some1 else win also.

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    Re: Reds Front office Blaming attendance why they wont do anything this off season???

    Quote Originally Posted by Krawhitham View Post
    Reds historical attendance numbers does not mean jack, because payrolls are at an alltime high. In the past attendance use to cover the team's payroll. That is clearly not the case since around 1995 - 2000

    this season average is 27,997
    average ticket price is $19 (from Forbes)
    81 home games

    27,997 X 81 = 2,267,757

    2,267,757 X $19 = $43,087,383

    Here is the break down of Reds attendance (from baseball almanac) vs MLB average payroll (From AP's single player average * 25)

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    YEAR	REDS	MLB PAYROLL
    1970		22266	$732,575.00
    1971		18532	$788,575.00
    1972		20928	$852,300.00
    1973		24909	$914,150.00
    1974		26556	$1,020,975.00
    1975		28588	$1,116,900.00
    1976		32466	$1,287,525.00
    1977		31107	$1,901,650.00
    1978		31460	$2,496,900.00
    1979		29279	$2,838,950.00
    1980		24815	$3,593,900.00
    1981		20254	$4,641,275.00
    1982		16377	$6,037,425.00
    1983		14697	$7,229,850.00
    1984		15752	$8,235,200.00
    1985		22650	$9,278,925.00
    1986		20894	$10,313,000.00
    1987		26978	$10,311,350.00
    1988		25746	$10,968,225.00
    1989		24436	$12,431,350.00
    1990		29640	$14,938,425.00
    1991		29289	$21,287,300.00
    1992		28592	$25,716,675.00
    1993		30287	$26,902,225.00
    1994		33003	$29,206,575.00
    1995		25523	$27,769,150.00
    1996		22981	$27,999,525.00
    1997		22047	$33,415,225.00
    1998		22144	$34,970,775.00
    1999		25292	$40,279,150.00
    2000		31624	$47,390,750.00
    2001		23794	$53,472,400.00
    2002		22913	$57,391,225.00
    2003		29077	$59,304,725.00
    2004		28237	$57,838,375.00
    2005		23989	$61,914,725.00
    2006		26351	$67,482,300.00
    2007		25388	$70,500,000.00
    2008		25415	$78,750,000.00
    2009		21579	$81,005,150.00
    2010		25925	$82,445,700.00
    2011		27997	$82,634,825.00
    The Reds are always in the middle of the pack and close to the MLB average, in 2011 the payroll is $80,826,667 LINK

    So Reds attendance only covers 53% of this years payroll
    Now count up those 2.25 million in attendance this year that spend at least $20 at the concession stand/souvenir store. This franchise makes tons of money.

    At least they're keeping their good players now. Next step - improve the team.
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    Re: Reds Front office Blaming attendance why they wont do anything this off season???

    Quote Originally Posted by BluegrassRedleg View Post
    Attendance is BS when it comes to payroll unless you're at Florida Marlins awful levels. These people have money to burn. It's just a matter of how bad they want to field a winner on an annual basis.
    Somewhat true. It's a simple equation folks. You go to games, the team has more to spend. Look at the attendance of the Phillies, Yankees and Red Sox. And then look at their payroll....Gotta pay to play!

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    Re: Reds Front office Blaming attendance why they wont do anything this off season???

    Quote Originally Posted by jwmann2 View Post
    Somewhat true. It's a simple equation folks. You go to games, the team has more to spend. Look at the attendance of the Phillies, Yankees and Red Sox. And then look at their payroll....Gotta pay to play!
    attendance for yankees games has little to do with why they can spend a ton. The YES network is the real reason
    Newsflash!

    Joey Votto does not care about RBI.

    NEITHER SHOULD ANY OF US

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    Re: Reds Front office Blaming attendance why they wont do anything this off season???

    For me it is simple. I will not spend my discretionary income on a poor product. Doesn't matter to me if it is baseball games or laundry detergent. I have a budget, and I won't make room for something that is not going to be worth my while. Let me qualify this by saying that I have been to several games this year, paid 5 dollars for a hot dog and 6 dollars for a beer, yada yada. The Reds have hundreds if not thousands of my hard earned United States dollars. But I can't continue to spend like this if the product (team) does not improve. If this organization wants my money then they need to invest in the team. Just like Tide, Downy, etc. must invest in marketing, improving the product they ship, research and development, and compete for my money, so do the Reds. Why should I spend money in hopes that the Reds will improve the team and win. Why can't they field the best team that they can, and when they are a product that I want to purchase I will write checks. It isn't difficult, it's just being a good steward of my family's money.


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