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    Re: Improper benefits at the U?

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRed27 View Post
    This is actually not true. At least 6 members of the football team and one member of the basketball team are still enrolled as well as a couple players that have transfered to other schools (including Robert Marve at Purdue).
    One of the names ESPN reported was starting QB Jacory Harris.
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    Re: Improper benefits at the U?

    You would think so, but this is the same NCAA that allowed Cam Newton to play because he "didn't know" what his dad was doing and that then allowed OSU to use known ineligible players in a bowl game, breaking virtually every precident in (at least recent) NCAA history. They then had the infractions committe send a 5 page letter to Kentucky about Calipari's victory total, even though that claim had nothing to do with any alleged infraction. And how long did it take them to act on the Reggie Bush case?

    I agree that these findings deserve a tough penalty, but right now I'm not confident in the NCAA's decision-making.

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    No matter the name of the penalty, the NCAA schwackhammer is going to come down on The U. It's going to be painful, and it's going to linger for years.

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    Re: Improper benefits at the U?

    There would have to be proof of this scandal going really high up at Miami for them to get the death penalty. It could happen, but I really doubt it.

    I don't even see it as a Miami issue or an Ohio State issue, etc... This is a problem with all of college football. There's too much of it going on and the only way anyone seems to get busted is when Yahoo Sports starts snooping around.

    I don't really blame young guys that don't have any money for taking when a rich ahole is throwing it around, the problem is that those guys are allowed to be this involved in a program. The funniest part of the whole thing is how Paul Dee, the man who was on the committee that punished USC, was the AD at Miami for a lot of those years.

    The NCAA has big problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Makes you wonder if someone affiliated with the U did Shapiro wrong cause he's spilling his guts about every misdeed he was ever a part of. If he was such a great booster, wouldn't he keep his mouth shut?
    I think he called on several of his "friends" for help during his trial for bail etc and they weren't very helpful....he also appears to be working on some type of a book project/deal.... it may also be part of his legal situation too....
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKFlounder View Post
    You would think so, but this is the same NCAA that allowed Cam Newton to play because he "didn't know" what his dad was doing
    To be absolutely fair, if there had been an actual special benefit given/received, the NCAA likely would've ruled differently on Cam's eligibility. The OSU decision was a little weird in how the NCAA back loaded the penalties but I don't think the NCAA could be accused of looking the other way.

    Concerning Miami, i'll be surprised, if they don't get nuked. Maybe they won't get the death penalty but they're going to find it tough to be competitive for a significant period following their punishment despite the conference they play in. This might have some far reaching implications too as there are several coaches that were on Miami's staff from the period encompassing Shapiro's that would have full knowledge of major violations if the allegations are true and who have went on to become prominent members of high profile football programs throughout the US.

    For the record, the USC and Miami situations are how journalists are supposed to cover these kinds of things.... don't fire all cannons until ya know what you're shooting at....

    This might also have other far reaching consequences.... Texas A&M is most likely going to join the SEC... a team like Virginia Tech would be a prime target for expansion given the chance for the SEC to try to invade the DC area and they may be more prone to jump ship if the competitive nature of their conference takes a hit by a major program getting significant sanctions....
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    Re: Improper benefits at the U?

    Yahoo is free to do as they please, but does anyone else have the feeling they could pick any school they wanted, do an investigation, and land evidence to get sanctions against that school?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    Yahoo is free to do as they please, but does anyone else have the feeling they could pick any school they wanted, do an investigation, and land evidence to get sanctions against that school?
    The key appears to be finding a disgruntled person as a source.
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    Re: Improper benefits at the U?

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    The key appears to be finding a disgruntled person as a source.
    The obvious solution is to keep the boosters and agents happy by allowing them perpetual unlimited access to keep them gruntled. (And in this case, also out of jail)


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    Re: Improper benefits at the U?

    Miami making a strong case to be included when the SEC expands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 15fan View Post
    Miami making a strong case to be included when the SEC expands.
    Poor post, steeped in common misconceptions...

    These are listed NCAA Major Probations by current members of these respective
    conferences:

    1. Big 12 Has 56 Probations; 12 members = 4.7 per institution
    2. PAC 10 Has 45 Probations; 10 members (before this season) = 4.5 per institution
    3. SEC Has 50 Probations; 12 members = 4.2 per institution
    4. Big Ten (11) Has 42 Probations; 11 members = 3.8 per school
    5. Conference USA 41 Probations; 12 members = 3.4 per school
    6. ACC 35 Probations; 12 members = 2.9 per school (about to add UNC/Miami)
    7. Mountain West Has 19 Probations; 9 members = 2.1 per school
    8. Big East Has 32 Probations; 16 members = 2 per school
    9. WAC Has 18 Probations; 9 members = 2 per school
    10. Missouri Valley Has 15 Probations; 10 members = 1.5 per school
    11. Atlantic 10 Has 13 Probations; 14 members = 0.9 per school
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Re: Improper benefits at the U?

    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    Poor post, steeped in common misconceptions...
    Those stats have to be out of date WMR.

    The Big 10 has 12 members and the Big XII has 9 1/2 members. (Duh)
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    Re: Improper benefits at the U?

    Miami isn't getting any death penalty.

    Randy Shannon barred this guy from practice once he took over as HC because he was viewed as a 'questionably' character or booster by UM. It wasn't specifically him as it was a whole group of folks, but he was included. Drew Rosenhaus as well. There are a lot of holes in his story but I'm not going through all of them.

    With that said, I have no doubt players were paid as its just a matter of finding a paper trail. Paul Dee was their AD at the time and he's now head of the NCAA INfractions committee. (he's the one who gave USC their punishment last year).

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    Re: Improper benefits at the U?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    Yahoo is free to do as they please, but does anyone else have the feeling they could pick any school they wanted, do an investigation, and land evidence to get sanctions against that school?
    Yahoo has investigated at a couple midwest/ southern schools lately and found nothing interesting, according to a reporter friend of mine. (He was quite interested to see if anything would come up at one of the schools in particular.)
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    Re: Improper benefits at the U?

    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    Poor post, steeped in common misconceptions...
    Charles Barkley.

    (I'm paraphrasing)

    "It's the SEC. If you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin."

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    Re: Improper benefits at the U?

    Quote Originally Posted by 15fan View Post
    Charles Barkley.

    (I'm paraphrasing)

    "It's the SEC. If you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin."
    Then he should have something really witty to say about the Big 12 and PAC-10.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"



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