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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Gack View Post
    Trust me. Miami isn't getting the death penalty. I'm not going through everything, but the whole story is based on pretty flimsy evidence and the word of a convicted felon/liar. I'll give you an example:

    Looks like there are a lot of specifics in these charges. Names, amounts of money exchanged, specific services received, etc. Two former Miami players confirmed that Shapiro paid prostitutes, escorts or strippers to have sex with football players in various settings. Multiple sources who interacted with Shapiro corroborated in detail the manner in which the booster doled out specific benefits as he violated NCAA rules. Does this look like just some felon blowing smoke?
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    It's called "Pony Excess" and I agree that it was an incredible movie. It wouldn't surprise me if in the wake of all these college football things that they reair it sometime very soon. Really great film. Riveting IMO.
    In that show the NCAA all but said they would never give another death penalty to a program. The whole process of going through it took a heavy toll on the NCAA investigators. The lead person,I forget his name,passed out after stepping off the stage from giving the official announcement, from all of the stress he had endured. Miami will get some heavy,heavy penalties but I doubt they will be given the death blow.
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    There are many reasons to follow and mock the Miami Hurricanes scandal, ranging from the large dollar amounts to the spectacle of a 40 year old man sad that his college “friends” would forget about him after he stopped giving them money. But in addition to the national part of the story, there are many local angles as well. We have talked a great deal about Clint Hurtt, the Louisville Recruiting Coordinator who is at the center of the scandal, but UK fans should not forget about the former Miami Athletic Director’s role as well. Paul Dee was in charge of the Miami program for 15 years, from 1993-2008 and as such, had the job of overseeing the out of control Hurricane ship. He hired Butch Davis, followed him up with Larry Coker and then finished the sundae with Randy Shannon. In addition, he headed many fundraising efforts and became very close with one Nevin Shapiro, the booster who is alleged to have given over $2,000,000 in illegal inducements to Miami athletes.

    Shapiro’s relationship with the players has been well-documented in the thorough Yahoo Sports report But Shapiro was also very close to Dee himself, taking a number of donations from the booster and at one point, having Shapiro lead the Hurricanes on the field before the game. He either knew of Shapiro’s relationship with the players or was willfully negligent in discovering why this 40 year old man seemed to be “boys” with all of his football players, while donating huge sums of money to the school.

    The Yahoo story shows that Dee is clearly an incompetent, or potentially dirty, Athletics Director. However it is also clear that Dee is a hypocrite in every sense of the word. From 2008-2010, Dee was in charge of the NCAA Committee on Infractions. He oversaw two high profile cases in USC football and Memphis basketball. During those two hearings, Dee decided to use his power to move the NCAA into a different realm of enforcement than it had previously ever enter into. Whereas before, some form of knowledge was usually required to give a school sanctions, Dee began the notion of “strict liability” in NCAA enforcement. He essentially claimed that anything that happens on a school’s campus or in connection with its programs, should be known by the administrators and if it is not…well that is tough.

    In both the USC and Memphis cases, knowledge of the infringing actions was never shown, and in the Memphis case never alleged. Still Dee took the position that the programs and coaches such as Calipari should be punished on a strict liability basis. He famously said, “high profile players demand high profile compliance.” While making those comments, Dee set himself out to be a new renegade enforcer of college athletics, sick of excuses and forcing compliance to all rules. And yet now we find out that Dee oversaw what potentially may be the most egregious rule-breaking over the past two decades in college athletics. Whereas USC had one main player (Reggie Bush) who took money from outside boosters/agents and Memphis had one player (Derrick Rose) whose ACT score was in question, Miami has 72 CONFIRMED players who took illegal benefits. And all of those benefits were taken from a booster so connected to the program that he was allowed to run out on the field with the team at a home game.

    Hypocrisy is a word thrown around all the time in the world and it is often not appropriate for the situation. But in this case, hypocrisy doesn’t even seem a strong enough term. Paul Dee oversaw a committee that took down John Calipari and the Memphis basketball program by creating a new “no knowledge needed” standard never before enforced. Now Calipari is somewhere likely seething as this same man who took away his program’s accomplishments with a self-righteous standard that he was clearly not capable of following, is now proven to have been the head of the greatest rogue program of them all. All Miami games should, and one would presume will, be vacated and the program must receive the maximum punishment. But more importantly, Paul Dee has been shown to be the worst type of leader, a hypocritical weasel of a man who believes his calling is to chastise others while he willfully neglects the own rot under his nose. Matt Jones....Kentucky sports radio 8-18-11
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    I don't see Miami getting the death penalty because the NCAA is afraid of exercising too much power, especially if Ohio State gets off with a lesser sentence. It would give more creedence to the superconference idea proposed by Calipari in which the major conferences kick the NCAA to the curb.

    Should Miami get the death penalty? Absolutely. I do think they won't be able to field a competitive team for awhile though once this is finished.
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    The only way Miami gets the death penalty is if there is hard evidence that not only did coaches and administrators know about Shapiro, but they were active in driving players and recruits to him to recieve benefits. Simply knowing he existed I don't think will be enough to kill the program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Looks like there are a lot of specifics in these charges. Names, amounts of money exchanged, specific services received, etc. Two former Miami players confirmed that Shapiro paid prostitutes, escorts or strippers to have sex with football players in various settings. Multiple sources who interacted with Shapiro corroborated in detail the manner in which the booster doled out specific benefits as he violated NCAA rules. Does this look like just some felon blowing smoke?
    Basically, I believe some were paid, but not the extent that's being reported by Yahoo! Look up Vegas franklin's profile as one of the 72 athletes 'involved.' This is prime example #1 why this isn't a big of deal as reported by Yahoo! A bit sensationalized IMO.

    Miami booster Nevin Shapiro alleges he provided a handful of extra benefits to Vegas Franklin during his career with the Hurricanes. Among the benefits he claimed to have provided:

    • Drinks and VIP access in nightclubs.

    Corroborating accounts

    • One source corroborated Shapiro entertaining Vegas Franklin with drinks and VIP access in nightclubs.

    In Shapiro’s words

    • “Vegas Franklin was a nice kid. He came from Louisiana. [I] saw him in the club a number of times. [I] never got real close [personally].”
    that's it? A booster paying for drinks and VIP access? Oh the humanity.

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    Should Miami get the death penalty? Absolutely. I do think they won't be able to field a competitive team for awhile though once this is finished.
    Tell me again, why should they get the death penalty? Just because it's Miami?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Gack View Post
    Basically, I believe some were paid, but not the extent that's being reported by Yahoo! Look up Vegas franklin's profile as one of the 72 athletes 'involved.' This is prime example #1 why this isn't a big of deal as reported by Yahoo! A bit sensationalized IMO.


    that's it? A booster paying for drinks and VIP access? Oh the humanity.
    So before you intimated that this was just the ramblings of a felon and the evidence is flimsy. Now you say there was something going on but not as bad as Yahoo has reported. Which one is it?

    It doesn't matter whether or not you believe it's a bad thing for Shapiro to give these players money, cars, buy them drinks, take them on his yacht, etc. It's against NCAA rules and that's why Miami is going to get nailed.
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    So before you intimated that this was just the ramblings of a felon and the evidence is flimsy. Now you say there was something going on but not as bad as Yahoo has reported. Which one is it?

    It doesn't matter whether or not you believe it's a bad thing for Shapiro to give these players money, cars, buy them drinks, take them on his yacht, etc. It's against NCAA rules and that's why Miami is going to get nailed.
    The problem for Miami is that there is corroborated evidence (i.e. witness testimony consistent with a paper trail of bank/phone records etc) of substantial special benefits being received by a large group of players with the knowledge of key members on the coaching staff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Gack View Post
    Tell me again, why should they get the death penalty? Just because it's Miami?
    I think the previous two posts before this one sums it up.

    Are you a Hurricanes fan? Judging by your responses it would seem that way.
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    The sad part, stuff like this goes on at every major D1 program, and the NCAA lets some get away with it, and other pay through the nose. The NCAA is about one thing....cash. Truck loads of it. If your school is creating lots of cash, you can get away with murder. If you aren't, then watch out.

    I agree that there are many schools that need radical reform in their athletic departments, etc, but first the NCAA needs to take a look in the mirror and start reforming itself first. I find it a little odd that it's ok for the NCAA to make millions marketing student athletes, but if a 20 year old kid accepts a "gift", they get hammered for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reds4Life View Post
    The sad part, stuff like this goes on at every major D1 program, and the NCAA lets some get away with it, and other pay through the nose. The NCAA is about one thing....cash. Truck loads of it. If your school is creating lots of cash, you can get away with murder. If you aren't, then watch out.

    I agree that there are many schools that need radical reform in their athletic departments, etc, but first the NCAA needs to take a look in the mirror and start reforming itself first. I find it a little odd that it's ok for the NCAA to make millions marketing student athletes, but if a 20 year old kid accepts a "gift", they get hammered for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    So before you intimated that this was just the ramblings of a felon and the evidence is flimsy. Now you say there was something going on but not as bad as Yahoo has reported. Which one is it?

    It doesn't matter whether or not you believe it's a bad thing for Shapiro to give these players money, cars, buy them drinks, take them on his yacht, etc. It's against NCAA rules and that's why Miami is going to get nailed.
    So we go from 72 players in the report, down to 12 possible players, down to 8 players suspended by the NCAA to only 3 guys being suspended more than 1 game.

    Yup. That appears to be pretty flimsy evidence.

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    INDIANAPOLIS---Eight University of Miami football student-athletes must miss competition and repay benefits as a condition of becoming eligible to play again, according to a decision today by the NCAA student-athlete reinstatement staff. The student-athletes received varying levels of recruiting inducements and extra benefits from university booster Nevin Shapiro and athletics personnel, according to the facts of the case.

    Reinstatement decisions are independent of the NCAA enforcement process and typically are made once the facts of the student-athlete’s involvement are determined. This is typically well in advance of infractions decisions. The enforcement investigation into the University of Miami is ongoing.

    Of the eight football student-athletes, three received substantial benefits as prospective student-athletes from Shapiro and athletics personnel to entice them to enroll at the university, which are considered some of the most serious recruiting violations within the NCAA.

    Olivier Vernon, who received more than $1,200 in benefits primarily from Shapiro, must miss six games and make repayment of the value of the benefits. These recruitment benefits included meals, transportation, access to Shapiro’s game suite, drinks, as well as cover charges at two different nightclubs, among others.

    Two other student-athletes, Aravious Armstrong and Dyron Dye, will miss four games and must make repayment. Armstrong received approximately $788 in extra benefits from Shapiro and athletics personnel during his recruitment. Dye received approximately $738. These student-athletes’ benefits included five nights of impermissible lodging from institutional staff during their unofficial visits, transportation, multiple meals, and entertainment at a gentleman’s club.

    Different than the first three student-athletes, five other student-athletes received impermissible benefits while currently enrolled at the university.

    These five student-athletes – Marcus Forston, Sean Ryan Spence, Adewale Ojomo, Travis Benjamin and Jacory Harris – must miss one game and make repayment. Forston received more than $400 in extra benefits from Shapiro and athletic personnel, including athletic equipment, meals, nightclub cover charges and entertainment at a gentleman’s club. Spence received approximately $275 in benefits, including meals, transportation, as well as cover charges and entertainment at a gentleman’s club. Ojomo received $240 in extra benefits, including a meal and nightclub cover charges. Benjamin received more than $150 in extra benefits, including meals and entertainment. Harris received more than $140 in benefits from meals, entertainment, transportation and nightclub cover charges.

    During the student-athlete reinstatement process, the staff considers a number of factors including guidelines established by the Division I NCAA Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for the type of violations and value of benefits, if a significant competitive advantage was gained, the student-athlete’s responsibility for the violations and any mitigating circumstances presented by the school, among other factors.

    “From regular reviews of our rules to the presidential retreat earlier this month, our members have continually stressed that involvement of third parties during recruitment will not be tolerated, and there must be accountability for inappropriate behavior,” said Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president of academic and membership affairs.

    When a school discovers an NCAA rules violation has occurred, it must declare the student-athlete ineligible and may request the student-athlete’s eligibility be reinstated. The NCAA staff reviews each student-athlete’s reinstatement request individually based on its own merits and set of specific facts, which are agreed upon by the university and the NCAA enforcement staff. The University of Miami has not submitted any additional reinstatement requests at this time.

    "The NCAA has informed the University of Miami of their decisions regarding the reinstatement of eight student-athletes who were declared ineligible by the University last week,” said University of Miami Director of Athletics Shawn Eichorst. “The student-athletes involved have acknowledged receiving improper benefits and will now be responsible for restitution and, in some cases, the student-athletes will also serve game suspensions. They understand that their actions demand consequences.

    "This university has the highest standards in all of our academic and athletic endeavors. We will remain steadfast in our commitment to continue to build winning programs with the utmost of integrity. We will be more vigilant in our compliance and continue to work with the NCAA on the joint investigation to determine the facts.

    "We appreciate the diligence and understanding of the NCAA staff and its handling of the student-athlete eligibility issues in an expeditious manner. I would also like to thank Coach Golden and his staff for their professionalism and leadership over the past few weeks."

    The reinstatement process typically concludes prior to the close of the enforcement investigation, which must determine the university’s responsibility for violations. While it depends on the complexity of the case, most student-athlete reinstatement requests are resolved in about a week after the school has provided a complete request and the reinstatement staff has all the necessary information. In contrast an enforcement investigation, which also varies in length depending on the complexity, must look at the totality of issues and takes an average of 11 months. For this reason, student-athlete reinstatement decisions do not signal that an enforcement investigation is complete.

    The university can appeal any student-athlete reinstatement decision to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, an independent panel comprised of representatives from NCAA member colleges, university and athletic conferences who are not directly affiliated with the university. This committee can reduce or remove the condition, but it cannot increase the staff-imposed conditions. If appealed, the student-athlete remains ineligible until the conclusion of the appeals process.

    Read more about the NCAA student-athlete reinstatement process at ncaa.org.

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    As I said, I wasn't going to go through all of the instances where there was pretty flimsy evidence and most of the situations made no sense, but the NCAA pretty believes what I believed. A little sensationalization from Yahoo!

    Of the eight football student-athletes, three received substantial benefits as prospective student-athletes from Shapiro and athletics personnel to entice them to enroll at the university, which are considered some of the most serious recruiting violations within the NCAA.



    1. Olivier Vernon = received more than $1,200 in benefits...recruitment benefits included meals, transportation, access to Shapiro’s game suite, drinks, as well as cover charges at two different nightclubs, among others.



    2. Aravious Armstrong = received approximately $788 in extra benefits from Shapiro and athletics personnel during his recruitment.



    3. Dyron Dye = received approximately $738. These student-athletes’ benefits included five nights of impermissible lodging from institutional staff during their unofficial visits, transportation, multiple meals, and entertainment at a gentleman’s club.


    4. Marcus Forston = Forston received more than $400 in extra benefits from Shapiro and athletic personnel, including athletic equipment, meals, nightclub cover charges and entertainment at a gentleman’s club.

    5. Sean Ryan Spence = Spence received approximately $275 in benefits, including meals, transportation, as well as cover charges and entertainment at a gentleman’s club.

    6. Adewale Ojomo = Ojomo received $240 in extra benefits, including a meal and nightclub cover charges.

    7. Travis Benjamin = Benjamin received more than $150 in extra benefits, including meals and entertainment.

    8. Jacory Harris = Harris received more than $140 in benefits from meals, entertainment, transportation and nightclub cover charges.

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    Re: Improper benefits at the U?

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Gack View Post
    As I said, I wasn't going to go through all of the instances where there was pretty flimsy evidence and most of the situations made no sense, but the NCAA pretty believes what I believed. A little sensationalization from Yahoo!
    I'm not sure how you can spin this into a good thing for Miami. It starts to validate the story. The NCAA can't penalize 72 players because many of them aren't in school anymore. So they punished the 8 they could prove or admitted to wrong doing.


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