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    Re: Brandon Phillips back batting first

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post

    This comparison suggests that over his career, Phillips best fit the profile of an average #7 hitter given his poor on base skills and low walk rate. Over 600 PAs (roughly his average number per year), he's been .5 WAR below an average major league #2 hitter (i.e. .5 WAR/season below an average #2 hitter).
    Are you able to break this into how these numbers reflect his performance as a 2 hitter in the past? I think Phillips has stated that he has adjusted his approach when hitting 4th to try to do different things. Are his numbers as a 2 hitter any better in terms of the fit for the typical 2 hitter?

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    Re: Brandon Phillips back batting first

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    Are you able to break this into how these numbers reflect his performance as a 2 hitter in the past? I think Phillips has stated that he has adjusted his approach when hitting 4th to try to do different things. Are his numbers as a 2 hitter any better in terms of the fit for the typical 2 hitter?
    He basically would suffer from a simialr problem... on-base deficiency....

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    BA	OPB	SLG	OPS	wOBA	BABIP	K%	BB%	ISO
    0.279	0.322	0.427	0.749	0.338	0.296	11.9	4.8	0.148
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    Re: Brandon Phillips back batting first

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    Although, the last 3 years have Phillips as a .332 wOBA
    Whether accurately reflecting his true talent or symmetrical luck, his wOBA has trended down to his career numbers over that span:

    2009: wOBA=.337;
    2010: wOBA=.332;
    2011: wOBA=.324;
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    Re: Brandon Phillips back batting first

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    He's nearly ideal for the No. 2-hole. Good contact rate, good speed. Gets on base a sufficient amount.
    If he can maintain a .350 OBP he works as a #2 hitter, but he has only done that in the two spot in about 1/3rd of a season, spread out over several years. Everywhere else in the line up, where his samples are quite a bit larger, his OBP dips into the .320's. If he is closer to his "everywhere in the line up" self, then no, he isn't ideal for the #2 spot because he is going to post a .320-.330 OBP and probably ground into plenty of double plays because he would rather swing at a pitch 4 inches outside trying to make something happen than take it for a ball.

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    Re: Brandon Phillips back batting first

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index...1&mode=gameday
    • In four games from the leadoff spot through Saturday, Brandon Phillips is 10-for-18, his three singles Saturday coming on the heels of Friday's 3-for-5 performance that included four RBIs, including a three-run home run.

    "When I was hitting fourth, my No. 1 goal was to drive guys in. I wasn't worried about my average or anything -- just RBIs," Phillips said. "I'm glad they're giving me a chance to get something going for the team."

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    "When I was hitting fourth, my No. 1 goal was to drive guys in. I wasn't worried about my average or anything -- just RBIs," Phillips said. "I'm glad they're giving me a chance to get something going for the team."
    While that isn't the worst idea ever, it is not exactly an ideal one either. I honestly don't think players should change their approach at the plate no matter where they bat.

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    Re: Brandon Phillips back batting first

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    While that isn't the worst idea ever, it is not exactly an ideal one either. I honestly don't think players should change their approach at the plate no matter where they bat.
    Exactly, players make much too much about having different jobs in various lineup spots. Just get on base, the rest is gravy.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.


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