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    Ubaldo rocked again; anyone still wish the Reds landed him?

    I for one was hoping to get Ubaldo Jimenez ... but it sounds like the reports that "something is wrong about him" were true. He got rocked again today -- 8 ER in just 3.1 IP in a big game for the Indians against the Tigers:

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/gametra...110821_CLE@DET

    When Jimenez was the best pitcher in MLB through the first half of the 2010 season, he was routinely reaching 99-100 MPH with his fastball. Now he's down to about 95. You don't lose 4-5 MPH off your fastball for no reason.

    So, looks like I was wrong about this one. Glad the Reds didn't give up a couple top prospects for Jimenez. Now, if we could have traded Yonder straight up (or Yonder and Volquez) I would still be down for that, but overall it looks like there is something wrong with this guy and I'm glad the Reds didn't bite when the Rockies were asking for a lot.

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    Re: Ubaldo rocked again; anyone still wish the Reds landed him?

    Wasn't there something about the Rockies not accepting a physical? Damaged goods?
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    Re: Ubaldo rocked again; anyone still wish the Reds landed him?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper View Post
    Wasn't there something about the Rockies not accepting a physical? Damaged goods?
    He passed a physical with the Indians.
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    Re: Ubaldo rocked again; anyone still wish the Reds landed him?

    Quote Originally Posted by paulrichjr View Post
    He passed a physical with the Indians.
    Does a physical include an MRI though?

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    Re: Ubaldo rocked again; anyone still wish the Reds landed him?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper View Post
    Wasn't there something about the Rockies not accepting a physical? Damaged goods?
    No physical was allowed until after the trade was made. Jimenez was examined in Goodyear before the trade was completed.
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Re: Ubaldo rocked again; anyone still wish the Reds landed him?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Does a physical include an MRI though?
    My understanding is that it's just a routine thing, but that's definitely a good question.
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    Re: Ubaldo rocked again; anyone still wish the Reds landed him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    My understanding is that it's just a routine thing, but that's definitely a good question.
    That is what I was thinking. They aren't going to give an MRI if the player has good range of motion/strength, but that doesn't mean there isn't something wrong inside of his arm when he does pitch.

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    Re: Ubaldo rocked again; anyone still wish the Reds landed him?

    As I said at the time, I think there was an underlying reason as to why the Rox would be willing to part with a young, reasonably priced pitcher like Jiminez.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Ubaldo rocked again; anyone still wish the Reds landed him?

    They did an MRI. It came back clean:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/ubaldo_jimenez/

    I didn't see today's game. Other than velocity being down, how was his command?
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    Re: Ubaldo rocked again; anyone still wish the Reds landed him?

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili View Post
    They did an MRI. It came back clean:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/ubaldo_jimenez/

    I didn't see today's game. Other than velocity being down, how was his command?
    Gotcha. Of course, the note says MRI. Does that mean they only checked one of his elbow/shoulder instead of both?

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    Re: Ubaldo rocked again; anyone still wish the Reds landed him?

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili View Post
    They did an MRI. It came back clean:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/ubaldo_jimenez/

    I didn't see today's game. Other than velocity being down, how was his command?
    Maybe it was a "Gary Majewski" style physical. ;-)
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    Re: Ubaldo rocked again; anyone still wish the Reds landed him?

    A good read on events leading up to the trade:

    http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_18726181

    While injury is certainly a possibility, I suspect this is all between the ears. Maybe something's going on in his life that he's not talking about.
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    Re: Ubaldo rocked again; anyone still wish the Reds landed him?

    Can't think of any deadline trades that have been beneficial?
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    Re: Ubaldo rocked again; anyone still wish the Reds landed him?

    You can't base a trade decision based on one start.

    His velocity had already fallen, so those wanting to make the trade already new that fact.

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    Re: Ubaldo rocked again; anyone still wish the Reds landed him?

    It's 4 starts.

    I was mainly against the trade, but his peripherals have been fine thus far, and anything can happen in 4 games. Can we lay the kneejerk analysis aside for just once? The trade was more motivated towards future seasons anyways where he is more likely to make a difference.


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