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    Re: Game 2 8.24.11 Reds @ Marlins

    Quote Originally Posted by Screwball View Post
    Votto will definitely be in the top 10, and probably in the top 5. If he has a September that's anything like August, he'll have a legit shot of defending his title.
    Not with the Brewers (Fielder, Braun) and D'Backs (Upton) winning division titles.
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    Re: Game 2 8.24.11 Reds @ Marlins

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper View Post
    Not with the Brewers (Fielder, Braun) and D'Backs (Upton) winning division titles.
    That's true. Now that I think about it, defending his MVP almost certainly won't happen. But I stand by the rest of my statement.

    Of course, I find it rather ridiculous to give an MVP award in large part due to how good your teammates are, but that's a discussion for another thread.

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    Re: Game 2 8.24.11 Reds @ Marlins

    Here's the Box for those who care,for those who don't here it is anyway.

    http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/mlb/g...recap&c_id=cin

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    Re: Game 2 8.24.11 Reds @ Marlins

    Bronson Arroyo has looked a whole lot better here lately. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

    Three weeks ago I wanted him placed on the DL with fatigue.

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    Re: Game 2 8.24.11 Reds @ Marlins

    Quote Originally Posted by Screwball View Post
    That's true. Now that I think about it, defending his MVP almost certainly won't happen. But I stand by the rest of my statement.

    Of course, I find it rather ridiculous to give an MVP award in large part due to how good your teammates are, but that's a discussion for another thread.
    If not for that winning team factor, Votto might have lost out to Pujols last year. Pujols arguably had better numbers.
    Works both ways.
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    Re: Game 2 8.24.11 Reds @ Marlins

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper View Post
    If not for that winning team factor, Votto might have lost out to Pujols last year. Pujols arguably had better numbers.
    Works both ways.
    That'd be fine with me. If Pujols truly had the better year, then he deserves to win the MVP award.

    However, had the voters not taken into account how good a player's teammates are (like that will ever happen), I still think Votto wins -- he had a higher BA, OPS, WPA, wOBA, RC, etc. (Pujols did nudge him in WAR, 7.5 to 7.3) . It just wouldn't have been a landslide.


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