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    Dusty Wont Quit on 2011

    http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...news|text|Reds

    It is so obvious that it's more important for Dusty Baker to be able to say he finshed over .500 (this man is all about stats) than to get this club ready for next year.

    This guy is a joke. Him starting Fred Lewis in any game for the rest of this season should result in his emmediate firing.

    God we have a horrible manager. The most mismatched, bad fit, managerial situation in all of baseball.

    These wins mean nothing. These wins are about Dusty Baker wanting to make sure his record as Reds manager is as close to .500 as possible.

    Never have we ever had a manager that is as bad a fit & is as bad for the developement of young players that Dusty Baker.

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    Definitely need a change. These guys are on holiday/vacation time with toothpick manning the ship.
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    If his selfishness leads to wins, I hope he gets extra selfish next year because he's been very giving this year in my opinion lol.

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    Alonso is so bad out there that it's almost an insult to the game. Dusty doesn't want the circus and I don't blame him.

    People didn't pay big league prices to see Spring Training, put the guys out there who you think will win you the most games. It's important to put together some semblance of momentum as an organization with back to back winning seasons.

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    I agree Fred Lewis is a joke, I despise him. The starting lineup EVERYDAY should be

    Sappelt LF
    Cozart-SS
    Votto 1B
    Phillips-2B
    Bruce RF
    Cairo-Yes Cairo-3B
    Stubbs-CF
    Hernandez/Hannigan-C

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    Re: Dusty Wont Quit on 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by will5979 View Post
    I agree Fred Lewis is a joke, I despise him. The starting lineup EVERYDAY should be

    Sappelt LF
    Cozart-SS
    Votto 1B
    Phillips-2B
    Bruce RF
    Cairo-Yes Cairo-3B
    Stubbs-CF
    Hernandez/Hannigan-C
    Sappelt is only up here because Heisey is injured. Heisey should be back very soon according to Hal Mccoy.

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    [QUOTE=Crumbley;2472870]Alonso is so bad out there that it's almost an insult to the game. Dusty doesn't want the circus and I don't blame him.
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    I think its very reasonable to make such a judgment based on 3 games in Wrigley field. Just like it was reasonable to put Cozart in the HOF based on the handful of games he played.

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    This whole "once you're out of the playoff race the season is over and wins are meaningless" is a new thing in baseball, and isn't appropriate to the sport. That is more of a NBA or NFL thing. In baseball you play every game to win. In theory every game is a "championship" game if you look at the writing on the baseball. Regular season statistics have meaning. Players like Ernie Banks go into the HOF based entirely on regular season performance. Important records like the Ruth/Maris/Bonds HR record are based on regular season performance.

    In other words, Votto could still win the batting title. Cueto could lead the league in ERA. Bruce could finish towards the top of the HR leaders, after making the Allstar team for the 1st time. In hindsight that is a pretty good accomplishment for his age. There are many things to still be excited about and reasons to watch the game. Of course we wish that we were in the pennant race, but the Brewers have been hot and are going to win the division. That's how it goes sometimes. But is the Reds finish 2nd with a winning record, after having 4 players make the Allstar team, and Votto and Cueto possibly having memorable seasons, you can't say the season was such a disaster. Too much gloom and doom on this board and spoiled fans not appreciating how hard it is to have success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roush's socks View Post
    But is the Reds finish 2nd with a winning record, after having 4 players make the Allstar team, and Votto and Cueto possibly having memorable seasons, you can't say the season was such a disaster. Too much gloom and doom on this board and spoiled fans not appreciating how hard it is to have success.

    Wrong- this season has been a disaster. And winning some meaningless games in September isn't going to change that. And if there's one thing Reds fans are not, its "spoiled".

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    the season is an abomination with dozens of winnable games booted away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman View Post
    Wrong- this season has been a disaster. And winning some meaningless games in September isn't going to change that. And if there's one thing Reds fans are not, its "spoiled".
    Bullseye. What an ass Baker is. Who gives a crap whether we finish a few over or a few under .500. Only LOSERS think like that. We should be getting young players ready to compete next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roush's socks View Post
    This whole "once you're out of the playoff race the season is over and wins are meaningless" is a new thing in baseball, and isn't appropriate to the sport. That is more of a NBA or NFL thing. In baseball you play every game to win. In theory every game is a "championship" game if you look at the writing on the baseball. Regular season statistics have meaning. Players like Ernie Banks go into the HOF based entirely on regular season performance. Important records like the Ruth/Maris/Bonds HR record are based on regular season performance.

    In other words, Votto could still win the batting title. Cueto could lead the league in ERA. Bruce could finish towards the top of the HR leaders, after making the Allstar team for the 1st time. In hindsight that is a pretty good accomplishment for his age. There are many things to still be excited about and reasons to watch the game. Of course we wish that we were in the pennant race, but the Brewers have been hot and are going to win the division. That's how it goes sometimes. But is the Reds finish 2nd with a winning record, after having 4 players make the Allstar team, and Votto and Cueto possibly having memorable seasons, you can't say the season was such a disaster. Too much gloom and doom on this board and spoiled fans not appreciating how hard it is to have success.
    Are you Ricky Bobby's daddy?

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    BTW good post, I pretty much agree. Otherwise there would be no such thing as Cubs or Indians fans, etc.

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    It might not mean anything to you, but I'm assuming it means a lot to the players to go out there and try to finish the year on a high note. I don't think they want to abandon the year. That doesn't mean we can't play young guys, which we have been, it means that we still should be trying to win games.

    Sappelt has been getting a lot of playing time. So far he's shown to be an average hitter, lazy defender, and bad base runner. He's not exactly taking advantage of his opportunity.

    My only real gripe is the lack of PT for Alonso, I think he will at least play hard and give it his all. That is all we can ask from him for now, and with his bat I think it would be worth giving him more of a look.

    And to the poster above me, Cozart would be our everyday SS but he got hurt. Phillips has been money in the leadoff spot, and Sappelt was bad in that role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray View Post
    It might not mean anything to you, but I'm assuming it means a lot to the players to go out there and try to finish the year on a high note. I don't think they want to abandon the year. That doesn't mean we can't play young guys, which we have been, it means that we still should be trying to win games.
    Only young guys he is playing he is being forced to play because of injuries

    Hi-C being out has forced Sappelt to get playing time, but Fred still gets most of the playing time

    Frazier is playing because Rolen is out, Frazier a .260 AAA hitter that translated into a .236 ML hitter. Why on earth is Juan Francisco still in AAA. He has had a better season than Frazier or Yonder.

    Juan Francisco has the best arm in the International League according to Baseball America. Maybe the Reds are afraid Francisco will prove he is better than Rolen even when Rolen is healthy and they do not want the media fallout

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krawhitham View Post
    Only young guys he is playing he is being forced to play because of injuries

    Hi-C being out has forced Sappelt to get playing time, but Fred still gets most of the playing time

    Frazier is playing because Rolen is out, Frazier a .260 AAA hitter that translated into a .236 ML hitter. Why on earth is Juan Francisco still in AAA. He has had a better season than Frazier or Yonder.

    Juan Francisco has the best arm in the International League according to Baseball America. Maybe the Reds are afraid Francisco will prove he is better than Rolen even when Rolen is healthy and they do not want the media fallout
    He plays Stubbs everyday. Bruce everyday. Gave Cozart the starting job after calling him up. Ended up giving Heisey the everyday LF job. Was playing Sappelt in LF everyday. He's finding ways to play Frazier a lot.

    Like I said, my only gripe is about Alonso. I think it's obvious Walt and Dusty aren't on the same page there or he wouldn't be up here. When you're a late call-up like Sappelt you better make sure that none of your mistakes are hustle related.


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