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    Hernandez placed on waivers by Reds

    Remember this does not mean he has been released.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/0...n-waivers.html
    The Reds have placed catcher Ramon Hernandez on waivers, according to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com (via Twitter). Tim Dierkes listed Hernandez as one of his August trade candidates at the top of the month.

    In late July, there was talk that the Reds were listening on offers for Hernandez, but GM Walt Jocketty said that the veteran would be staying put just prior to the deadline. In 286 plate appearances for the Reds this year, the 35-year-old is hitting .292/.350/.465 with eleven homeruns.


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    Re: Hernandez placed on waivers by Reds

    Sell, Sell, Sell
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    Re: Hernandez placed on waivers by Reds

    Given his Type A status, he has some real value.
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    Re: Hernandez placed on waivers by Reds

    So, any chance someone takes a stab at him before he reaches the Giants or Braves?

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    Re: Hernandez placed on waivers by Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by OesterPoster View Post
    So, any chance someone takes a stab at him before he reaches the Giants or Braves?
    Diamondbacks might place a claim simply to block him from reaching the Giants.

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    Re: Hernandez placed on waivers by Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Guacarock View Post
    Diamondbacks might place a claim simply to block him from reaching the Giants.
    And what would stop the REDS from letting them just take him?
    They're not getting the draft pick, because they're not going to offer arbitration.
    (or am I missing something?)
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    Re: Hernandez placed on waivers by Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Guacarock View Post
    Diamondbacks might place a claim simply to block him from reaching the Giants.
    Actually, I'm wrong on this score. With the Diamondbacks currently being ahead of the Giants in the NL West standings, the Diamondbacks can't place a blocking claim on Hernandez. Only a team with a worse records than the Giants could do so, say, the Rockies.

    Sorry about the mixup. I remembered that preference fell to the weaker team, but somehow forgot that the Diamondbacks -- even after their recent skid --are still atop the Giants.

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    Re: Hernandez placed on waivers by Reds

    If you believe some of the other RZ threads (namely John Buck and his case of the yips), maybe the Marlins will be in the market for a new catcher.

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    Re: Hernandez placed on waivers by Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper View Post
    And what would stop the REDS from letting them just take him?
    They're not getting the draft pick, because they're not going to offer arbitration.
    (or am I missing something?)
    The Reds will almost surely offer him arbitration. And he's likely to decline it. And as @jluckhaupt said on twitter:

    I doubt Hernandez would accept arb from #Reds. There will be a starting gig for available for a catcher that hit .295/.357/.445 last 2 yrs.

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    Re: Hernandez placed on waivers by Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper View Post
    And what would stop the REDS from letting them just take him?
    They're not getting the draft pick, because they're not going to offer arbitration.
    (or am I missing something?)
    The fact that they would be losing a good player on a bargain contract for nothing? The fact that it would weaken the club for the rest of the season for no reason? If the Reds just let him go on a waiver claim, I'd say I'm DEFINITELY missing something.

    And I'm not at all convinced they won't offer arbitration. I would. If he accepts, you have a good player for another year and buy at least another half-season of prep time for Mes. That's not a bad thing.

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    Re: Hernandez placed on waivers by Reds

    If he accepts, you have a good player for another year and buy at least another half-season of prep time for Mes.
    Mesoraco's ready. You don't hold him back any longer. Hernandez has played very well, but he's a bad knee away from losing all value. Time to cash him in -- either now or after the season (provided they're confident he won't accept arbitration).

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    Re: Hernandez placed on waivers by Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Mesoraco's ready. You don't hold him back any longer. Hernandez has played very well, but he's a bad knee away from losing all value. Time to cash him in -- either now or after the season (provided they're confident he won't accept arbitration).
    I'm with you on this score. Hernandez has played extremely well for the Reds. But bringing him back another year would be pressing our luck. He is no spring chicken and he is, in fact, showing some signs of slowing down, particularly on defense but also offense as the season goes on.

    If we didn't have Mesoraco waiting in the wings, we might need to take the risk and negotiate another one-year extension with Hernandez. But Mesoraco is ready, and looks quite capable, so there's no point in bringing Hernandez back in the fold for 2012, especially not with Hanigan remaining on a favorable contract to split time with Mesoraco.

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    Re: Hernandez placed on waivers by Reds

    I'm sorry, I'm lost.
    Why wouldn't Ramon accept arbitration?
    He's making $3 million this year.
    He could shoot for $4-5 million in arb. after his fine year.
    What would he expect to make as a FA?
    Is a long term deal an option at his age?
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    Re: Hernandez placed on waivers by Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    The Reds will almost surely offer him arbitration. And he's likely to decline it. And as @jluckhaupt said on twitter:
    I disagree very strongly on both counts.


    No one would give up their first pick to sign Hernandez.

    He'd have more value as a B type, as then I would likely offer arbitration.

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    Re: Hernandez placed on waivers by Reds

    If Rhodes could get a 2 year deal worth 4 mil per, I'd think Ramon could get 2 and 10 with a 3rd year option.
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