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    Information age changing the way the game is played

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    And the second great renaissance? That's been taking place, almost imperceptibly, over the last decade -- but to a greater degree, just over the last year or two or three. Looking back, it's not hard to figure out why. Every once in a while in life, a bunch of powerful forces in the universe seem to converge on us at once. And all they do is change just about everything. Well, this is now, officially, one of those times.
    Sabermetrics is this: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.

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    Re: Information age changing the way the game is played

    Great article. Really informative and accessible to everyone out there, traditionalist as well as stat heads.

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    Agreed. Excellent stuff.

    Now that "the book" on hitters is way more specific -- every permutation of pitch type, location, count and tendency -- it's going to be harder for a hitter to cover up major holes or weaknesses. That's probably why we're seeing more guys fall off a cliff stats-wise. Of course, like Price said in the article, you still have to make the pitch.
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    Very good article.

    I often wonder whether the Reds are closer to the cutting edge of the information age or closer to the
    haphazard, 'I-think-this-is-going-to-work' approach, or the 'this-is-what-happened-in-1987-and-it-worked-then' approach
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    "Knock him down, then put the next three pitches knee-high on the outside corner, boom, boom, boom, and you've got him." --Pitching coach Sal Maglie
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    Wonderful stuff. The organizations that recognize changes and take advantage of them are always the ones that succeed. Hopefully the Reds are one of those organizations.

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    Re: Information age changing the way the game is played

    The basics of baseball remain the same since the beginning of the game: if you're a hitter, put the bat on the ball, if you are a pitcher, throw strikes, if you are a defender, field the ball cleanly and make a good throw. Pretty simple. Despite all this information, both side have it so if a pitcher knows how a hitter reacts to a slider the hitter also knows the pitchers' pattern of throwing it.

    OTOH, if numbers, charts, etc., can help you do those things then that's all good. If don't you have the basic skills then it doesn't really make a difference. There is no info that is going to turn Paul Janish into a good hitter.

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    Joe Maddon is using technology to develop innovative new strategies to give the Rays an edge. Dusty Baker is using advice he gleaned from Hank Aaron in the 1970's to give the Reds a disadvantage.

    Walt Jocketty was fired by the Cardinals because he refused to embrace sabermetrics and technology. The Reds jumped on the chance to hire Jocketty and let him lead the franchise into the 21st century.


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    I see a future where stats for catchers appear just inside the mask.

    Jason Heyward comes to the plate and Mesoraco touches his mask. on the inside he sees a spray chart for the types of pitches his pitcher throws. he gets 10 seconds to see said chart before the batter steps in.

    At one point, quarterbacks didn't have radios in their helmets. Now they do.
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    Seems to me that having a player the caliber of Votto on your team in this day and age the better your chances of winning. Guys who are capable of being a bit less predictable or who basically have few holes in their game are gonna be worth so much more than they have ever been above those who do.
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    Re: Information age changing the way the game is played

    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling View Post
    Joe Maddon is using technology to develop innovative new strategies to give the Rays an edge. Dusty Baker is using advice he gleaned from Hank Aaron in the 1970's to give the Reds a disadvantage.

    Walt Jocketty was fired by the Cardinals because he refused to embrace sabermetrics and technology. The Reds jumped on the chance to hire Jocketty and let him lead the franchise into the 21st century.

    Yet in the linked article Bryan Price mentions the Reds use the technology, then in Fays blog yesterday Baker mentioned that he used spray charts ( like those cited in the same article ) just the other day.

    Hmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Yet in the linked article Bryan Price mentions the Reds use the technology, then in Fays blog yesterday Baker mentioned that he used spray charts ( like those cited in the same article ) just the other day.

    Hmmmm
    It doesn't actually say the Reds use the technology. It only says the Reds are aware there is data out there. The Reds rarely put on the type of shifts used by the Rays as mentioned in the article. The charts Dusty was quoted as using are notebooks containing things like batting average vs a pitcher, whether the pitcher is a low-ball or high-ball pitcher, playing speedy outfielders in large ballparks and things of that nature -- certainly nothing too high tech or cutting edge. Baker, Jocketty and Castellini are as old-school as it gets. Price might be a little more advanced but he is no Steve Jobs either. I would wager large sums of cash the Reds are way behind the curve when it comes to technology and understanding the modern game.

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    Re: Information age changing the way the game is played

    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling View Post
    It doesn't actually say the Reds use the technology. It only says the Reds are aware there is data out there.
    So, Jayson Stark is writing an article on the use of technology in baseball, and out of all the people in baseball he can go to for on-the-record quotes, he'll pick a pitching coach who doesn't use the technology? That doesn't make any sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandRed View Post
    So, Jayson Stark is writing an article on the use of technology in baseball, and out of all the people in baseball he can go to for on-the-record quotes, he'll pick a pitching coach who doesn't use the technology? That doesn't make any sense.
    If the Reds were using the technology as detailed in the article we would see it in the form of defensive shifts -- which the Reds do not use.

    I am sure the Reds have better scouting reports than they used to have, but I don't believe the Reds players are constantly studying specially individualized video and advanced statistics on their Ipads like the teams discussed in the article. I imagine one of the writers or broadcasters around the Reds might have mentioned that to us before. Whatever use the Reds are making of new technology I am sure it is far less advanced than what tech-savvy teams like Tampa Bay, Boston and Oakland are doing. The Reds are likely closer to the trailing edge than the leading edge.
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    Re: Information age changing the way the game is played

    "The technology" is not one big program and its use is not all or nothing. If Dusty doesn't like shifts, that's his deal. Doesn't imply others in the org can't be using the data.
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