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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by George Anderson View Post
    I reread the article where Manning commented on Polian being fired. What quote exactly showed displeasure with the Colts organization?
    It was more the reporting of Manning being shocked and disappointed with the Polians departure. Maybe I am seeing something that isn't there. I just think that the Manning camp has been in get Peyton out of Indy for the past couple of months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    It was more the reporting of Manning being shocked and disappointed with the Polians departure. Maybe I am seeing something that isn't there. I just think that the Manning camp has been in get Peyton out of Indy for the past couple of months.
    I saw the whole Manning was shocked over the Polian firing as being comical. One thing is for sure, there was a bit of a rift between Polian and Manning and don't think for a minute Manning doesn't have the pull to get rid of anyone in the organization he doesn't like.
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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfanmia View Post
    Did Manning run over your dog or refuse you an autograph? You seem to take a shot at him at every given chance. A healthy Manning or Matt Shaub? Really? Not even that close? ummmm ok.
    Where did Buck mention a "healthy" Manning? Seems to me you're trapping him by slipping that word in there. I can't speak for him but my guess is his point is that Peyton may never be "healthy" again. He'll always be an upper 30s QB who's had three neck surgeries. If Peyton never plays another down his comparison of Peyton and Schaub will be prophetic

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Never really cared for Manning but he didn't run over my dog. From an outsiders perspective, once it became apparant that the Colts were the leaders for the "Suck for Luck" campaign the Mannings began to distance themselves from the Colts. Archie went on the national media saying Peyton wouldn't want to play with Luck on the team. Peyton's soundbites were that he wanted out of town.

    Going forward Schaub is 5 years younger than Manning and not coming off of neck surgery. Manning will be 36 heading into next season, Schaub 31. So yea I would take Schaub over Manning heading forward.
    This is littered with a lot of large reaches and irresponsible assertions on your part IMO.

    The Colts didn't "suck for luck" on purpose, they just weren't any good without Peyton. They certainly wanted to win their games, they just didn't.

    Archie never said Peyton wouldn't want to play with Luck, he said "I don't think it'd necessarily be great for either one." That's a large difference than "Peyton wouldn't want to play with Luck on the team." As another posted pointed out, unless you have an exact quote of Peyton saying he wanted out of town, you're unfairly speculating and trying to pass it off as fact.

    As for your claim that you'd take Schaub over Manning heading forward, let's just say that I'm glad you're not the GM of a team I root for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    This is littered with a lot of large reaches and irresponsible assertions on your part IMO.

    The Colts didn't "suck for luck" on purpose, they just weren't any good without Peyton. They certainly wanted to win their games, they just didn't.
    The Colts were one of the worst football teams I have seen in recent history. They didn't "suck for luck" on purpose but there were games in which they looked like they gave up. It was worse than some of the Bengals seasons from the 90's.

    Archie never said Peyton wouldn't want to play with Luck, he said "I don't think it'd necessarily be great for either one." That's a large difference than "Peyton wouldn't want to play with Luck on the team." As another posted pointed out, unless you have an exact quote of Peyton saying he wanted out of town, you're unfairly speculating and trying to pass it off as fact.
    When I head what Archie said the first think that came to my mind was the Mannings were going to attempt to get Peyton moved. It was said the porper way but it still didn't leave me with any doubt that, at least Archie, wanted Peyton somewhere else next year.

    As for your claim that you'd take Schaub over Manning heading forward, let's just say that I'm glad you're not the GM of a team I root for.
    Your going to bet that a 36 year old Manning coming off of 3 neck surgeries is going to be a better QB going forward then that is your perrogative. I wouldn't make that gamble. There becomes a time when even the greatest QB's can avoid father time. Peyton's is creaping up on him, maybe quickened with a few neck surgeries and a year away from the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    Where did Buck mention a "healthy" Manning? Seems to me you're trapping him by slipping that word in there. I can't speak for him but my guess is his point is that Peyton may never be "healthy" again. He'll always be an upper 30s QB who's had three neck surgeries. If Peyton never plays another down his comparison of Peyton and Schaub will be prophetic
    I think most teams would take Manning at 75% over Schaub, but I am a Colts fan. Buck has made comments about Manning before, thats fine he doesn't like the guy I get it.
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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    If I'm Peyton Manning and I know I only have 2-3 years left, I'm throwing a fit if my team doesn't trade the #1 pick which could fetch a haul that plugs anywhere from 3-5 holes. From his standpoint, picking another QB that doesn't help the team until after his retirement makes no sense and not a situation I could see him living with.

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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat13 View Post
    If I'm Peyton Manning and I know I only have 2-3 years left, I'm throwing a fit if my team doesn't trade the #1 pick which could fetch a haul that plugs anywhere from 3-5 holes. From his standpoint, picking another QB that doesn't help the team until after his retirement makes no sense and not a situation I could see him living with.
    I am pulling a Carson Palmer and demand being traded to San Francisco.

    Trading the #1 pick would bring a massive haul as of now. And if you are high on Landry Jones or Matt Barkley it would make sesne. But this is directed at a Colts fan, what are their needs? From my perspective they need a RB, WR, DL, LB, DB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    I am pulling a Carson Palmer and demand being traded to San Francisco.

    Trading the #1 pick would bring a massive haul as of now. And if you are high on Landry Jones or Matt Barkley it would make sesne. But this is directed at a Colts fan, what are their needs? From my perspective they need a RB, WR, DL, LB, DB.
    OL. DL. DB. With a decent line they can run the ball. If they were able to address those needs in the draft they could probably resign Wayne. They may still need another WR, but I could live with what they have. ALso they need to figure out what the deal with Dallas Clark was, Peyton Manning's a fantastic quarterback, but he doesn't cause a TE to drop passes in absentia.
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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfanmia View Post
    I think most teams would take Manning at 75% over Schaub, but I am a Colts fan. Buck has made comments about Manning before, thats fine he doesn't like the guy I get it.
    A 36 yr old 75% Manning over Schaub? Let me give this little tidbit. At the beginning of the yr I was debating my Fantasy Football draft and how I'd rank the QBs and I got stuck on Schaub and Peyton. If it came down to those two, which one do I draft? It was a tough one. As it turns out, I was able to get my hands on Tom Brady so it never came down to that but it was a tough call.

    So tell me, if you're in a Keeper League, do you draft Peyton ahead of Schaub for 2012?

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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    Let's not pretend that Schaub is the picture of health himself. Remember, these are the first games that Peyton has missed. It seems Schaub misses games almost every year.
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    Is there anything in Peyton's contract that makes him difficult to trade?
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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    A 36 yr old 75% Manning over Schaub? Let me give this little tidbit. At the beginning of the yr I was debating my Fantasy Football draft and how I'd rank the QBs and I got stuck on Schaub and Peyton. If it came down to those two, which one do I draft? It was a tough one. As it turns out, I was able to get my hands on Tom Brady so it never came down to that but it was a tough call.

    So tell me, if you're in a Keeper League, do you draft Peyton ahead of Schaub for 2012?
    Fantasy football is just that a fantasy. Has Matt Shaub ever played a full season? He gets injured alot. In real life football I think my chances of reaching the Super Bowl next year are better with a 36 year old Manning if he comes back at 75% strength and a 31 year old Shaub.
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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/sto...ck-sources-say

    Irsay wants to take Luck it appears. Dungy said the same earlier on Football Night in America.

    This news to me is thrilling, if true!

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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Newport Red View Post
    Is there anything in Peyton's contract that makes him difficult to trade?
    Yes. A $28mill bonus check that needs to be written before anyone knows if Peyton can play again:

    Mort also reports both Irsay and Manning have emphatically denied discussing pushing back the March 8 due date for Manning's $28 million option bonus. The duo will "jointly determine" Manning's future, and the matter of Manning's potential release remains a "medical issue" for the time being. Our best guess remains that Manning will be released just before or on March 8. Jan 8 - 11:44 AMSource: Chris Mortensen on Twitter


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