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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    NVM. I don't want to get this thread sidetracked.
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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    IMO with Manning out at least until the end of Nov, if the Colts are not within 2 games or so of the division, I have him sit out the rest of the year. Why risk a reinjury on a lost year?

    The runing game (on both sides of the ball) will make or break the Manningless Colts. The national spotlight will be on Collins but it should be on Addai and the O and D lines. Costanzo needs to mature quickly for there to be any outside shot at the playoffs.


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    Lets say Collins plays well and leads the Colts to the playoffs, Manning is not cleared to play until the Monday before the wild card game. Would anyone start Peyton over Kerry?
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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/pos...-minus-manning

    Ten questions worth pondering about the Colts without Peyton Manning:

    1. Who’s under the most pressure?

    The obvious answer is Kerry Collins, but if the expectations are unreasonable for the 39-year-old quarterback, that’s not on him. He can still be effective, but consistency is an issue and he tends to start games slowly. That’s a problem for the Colts, who are built to jump to leads and let defensive ends Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis pursue quarterbacks who are trying to throw to catch up. Those successful two-minute drills that Manning has run at the end of a half or a game won't happen as often with Collins.

    2. What will we learn about Colts head coach Jim Caldwell and offensive coordinator Clyde Christensen?

    Jokes about Manning coaching the team tend to be over the top. But he certainly makes more pre-snap decisions on the field than any other quarterback in the league. Even if Collins winds up making some of those reads and determinations, Caldwell and Christensen must show they can plan effectively for him in a way they weren’t always responsible for with Manning at the controls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKFlounder View Post
    The Colts knew about his May surgery before they signed that contract too.

    I just wonder if he could have had the surgery earlier in the offseason. I'm not a Colts fan, so I haven't watched this closely, but in hindsight, could he possibly have done this sooner? Did the lockout and the inability of management to talk with players affect how/when it was scheduled at all?
    Surgery is always the last resort. They thought rest would help. I made the same point when people were saying Volquez waited too long to have TJ. Unless it's something that you absolutely know is going to need surgery, like an Achilles tear or an ACL, you almost always rest and rehab first.

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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    Not that Mike Brown will ever trade him, but Carson would be an absolutely perfect fit in the Colts offense.

    Honestly though, if I were Colts management, I would punt this year and start Painter. Hope for 0-16.

    The Colts have been a playoff contender for almost all of Peyton's career and if they can parlay his injury and one bad year into Andrew Luck, then why not?

    With Peyton still around to coach and groom Luck, the Colts could be looking at another 10+ years of possessing one of the top QB's in the NFL. Not many teams get that kind of opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Now you have to wonder if it would be smart for him ever to take a snap again. If I were Payton I would seriously think about retiring. He has to be financially set for a number of lifetimes. Why risk greater injury, especially to the neck area, to play 4+ more seasons?
    On a local sports talk show yesterday, they had on a doctor who's done cervical fusion surgeries. Barring complications, the one-level fusion they did should result in a neck as strong as it was before injury, and Manning would not be at undue risk. Of course, this presumes he doesn't rush back before the healing process is complete.

    The doc said there are cases where a cervical fusion turns out to be only a temporary solution because the adjacent discs/vertebra are also weakened, and solidifying the one in the middle can actually hasten the failure of the adjacent areas. But that's more of a problem that affects, say, a linebacker, who is constantly delivering/absorbing hits with the neck and shoulder area. Manning would not have a lot of risk in that regard, although re-injury is always possible.
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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    Many athletes have returned from this type of surgery. Pro wrestling star Kurt Angle is one example, and in that "sport" he certainly takes a lot of abuse on his neck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerScottDavis View Post
    Not that Mike Brown will ever trade him, but Carson would be an absolutely perfect fit in the Colts offense.

    Honestly though, if I were Colts management, I would punt this year and start Painter. Hope for 0-16.

    The Colts have been a playoff contender for almost all of Peyton's career and if they can parlay his injury and one bad year into Andrew Luck, then why not?

    With Peyton still around to coach and groom Luck, the Colts could be looking at another 10+ years of possessing one of the top QB's in the NFL. Not many teams get that kind of opportunity.
    I would be hoping for Palmer if Mike Brown wasn't the Bengals GM. I think it would be a great chance for Palmer and the Colts. Palmer has a shot to have a strong season and if Manning is done then he takes over at qb for the Colts for a few years. If Manning comes back and Carson plays well then he's worth something in trade.

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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    Foster is officially out vs. Indy, which offsets some of the loss of Manning. Ward and Tate are still a potentially potent combo. I think the key to this game will be Freeney and Mathis and their ability to get into the backfield. If they can pressure Schaub, I actually like the Colts' chances in this one.
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    Not sure how much difference Manning makes in this game. The defense is putrid.
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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    Going to be a long season, not sure if the Colts will score more than 20 points in any game with Collins at quarterback unless they get a defensive touchdown. This is bad.
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    Might as well see if Painter can do anything. Collins isn't a good fit for this team and the defense is a joke. If we win 4 I'll be shocked.

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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by gilpdawg View Post
    Might as well see if Painter can do anything. Collins isn't a good fit for this team and the defense is a joke. If we win 4 I'll be shocked.

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    We've seen what Painter can do: nothing. Collins had zero time to do anything, thanks to shoddy play by the OL. Granted, the two fumbles were his fault, but I still feel better with him under center than Painter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_the_Red View Post
    We've seen what Painter can do: nothing. Collins had zero time to do anything, thanks to shoddy play by the OL. Granted, the two fumbles were his fault, but I still feel better with him under center than Painter.
    Painter has never actually got to play with the first team in practice and then play a game, but you're probably right. There's nothing to lose though. I've talked to a bunch of Colts fans today and everybody is in denial. This team isn't very talented. At all. Manning was holding that house of cards together. Might as well play Painter because this team is going nowhere anyway. Too many wasted drafts and bad managerial decisions. Even with Manning this team isn't a Super Bowl contender. Fringe playoff team. They have work to do.

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    Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by gilpdawg View Post
    Painter has never actually got to play with the first team in practice and then play a game, but you're probably right. There's nothing to lose though. I've talked to a bunch of Colts fans today and everybody is in denial. This team isn't very talented. At all. Manning was holding that house of cards together. Might as well play Painter because this team is going nowhere anyway. Too many wasted drafts and bad managerial decisions. Even with Manning this team isn't a Super Bowl contender. Fringe playoff team. They have work to do.

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