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    Choose Your Top 5 Reds Of All-Time

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    Here's my list. What's your's?

    Frank Robinson
    Johnny Bench
    Joe Morgan
    Barry Larkin
    Pete Rose
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    Re: Choose Your Top 5 Reds Of All-Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
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    Here's my list. What's your's?

    Frank Robinson
    Johnny Bench
    Joe Morgan
    Barry Larkin
    Pete Rose
    Looks perfect to me. Technically, Griffey Jr. had a better career than Rose, Bench and Larkin, but he obviously didn't spend his prime years here, so it would be tough to put him ahead of those guys.

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    Re: Choose Your Top 5 Reds Of All-Time

    John Erardi and Greg Rhodes made a list of the top 100 Reds of all time.
    Marty Brennamen helped them narrow the list down to the top 20.
    It will be interesting to see their top 5.

    http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/201...greatest-reds/

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    Re: Choose Your Top 5 Reds Of All-Time

    They counted them down in a slideshow.

    1. Morgan
    2T. Bench
    2T. Rose
    4. Robinson
    5. Larkin
    Last edited by mth123; 09-05-2011 at 10:21 AM.
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    Re: Choose Your Top 5 Reds Of All-Time

    Rose
    Bench
    Morgan
    Robinson
    Larkin

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    Re: Choose Your Top 5 Reds Of All-Time

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    They counted them down is a slideshow.

    1. Morgan
    2T. Bench
    2T. Rose
    4. Robinson
    5. Larkin
    They got it wrong IMO. Joe Morgan was great. But he was a Red for 8 seasons. Those 8 seasons were fantastic. His OPS+ as a Red was 147. But those 8 fantastic seasons (well, 6 were truly fantastic and the last two were not on par with those first 6) don't add up to being better than the 17 Bench put out. I am not even sure they are fully on par with the 10 that Frank Robinson had as a Red.

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    Re: Choose Your Top 5 Reds Of All-Time

    Larkin
    Rose
    Morgan
    Davis
    Bench
    This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.

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    Re: Choose Your Top 5 Reds Of All-Time

    1. Johnny Bench
    2. Pete Rose
    3. Barry Larkin
    4. Frank Robinson
    5. Joe Morgan

    Years with the Reds counts in my book.
    Thank goodness for baseball.

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    Re: Choose Your Top 5 Reds Of All-Time

    !. Robinson
    2. Bench
    3. Morgan
    4. Rose
    5. Here I have trouble: Perez, Pinson, Larkin.
    For me, the clear break is between the first four, in some order, and #5.

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    Re: Choose Your Top 5 Reds Of All-Time

    Adam Dunn
    Chris Denorfia
    Chris Heisey
    Zach Stewart
    Edwin Encarnacion

    Am I missing anyone? Oh, and challenge me on any of these and this thread is going 20 pages.

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    Re: Choose Your Top 5 Reds Of All-Time

    On a serious note...

    Bench
    Rose
    Morgan
    Robinson
    Larkin

    With free agency it will be hard for anyone else to crack into the top 5. Bruce has a chance. He could have 10 seasons with the Reds under his belt when it is done.

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    Re: Choose Your Top 5 Reds Of All-Time

    Bench
    Rose
    McPhee
    Larkin
    Robinson

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    Re: Choose Your Top 5 Reds Of All-Time

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Bench
    Rose
    McPhee
    Larkin
    Robinson
    Thinking outside the box with McPhee. I don't agree but interesting nonetheless.

    This page could help the thread. (There's a pitching one too if interested, but for the Reds, I doubt it is necessary)

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/te...ders_bat.shtml

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    Re: Choose Your Top 5 Reds Of All-Time

    Shouldn't Edd Roush and Ernie Lombardi at least be in the conversation? Roush (18 years) had a career OPS+ 10 points higher than Larkin, and by all accounts played an excellent center field. Lombardi (10 years) had the same OPS+ as Bench. Obviously, he didn't compare defensively. But still.

    Also--just sayin'--Bucky Walters had seasons of 27, 22 and 23 wins, twice leading the league in ERA as he carried the club into the World Series.

    That said, there's no getting around Rose, Bench, Robinson and probably Morgan (the only caveat being his tenure).

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    Re: Choose Your Top 5 Reds Of All-Time

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    They got it wrong IMO. Joe Morgan was great. But he was a Red for 8 seasons. Those 8 seasons were fantastic. His OPS+ as a Red was 147. But those 8 fantastic seasons (well, 6 were truly fantastic and the last two were not on par with those first 6) don't add up to being better than the 17 Bench put out. I am not even sure they are fully on par with the 10 that Frank Robinson had as a Red.
    I think its wrong too. I think Morgan is getting extra credit because his big years were all in a row and happened while the Reds were one of the super teams in baseball history. I took a quick look at several guys based on OPS+ for a six year period and Morgan was barely the best red ever based on that criteria.

    Code:
    Player	         Years	  1     2	3	4	5	6	Ave
    Joe Morgan	72 - 77	149	154	159	169	186	138	159.1666667
    Frank Robby	59 - 65	152	169	163	172	133	160	158.1666667
    George Foster	76 - 81	150	165	151	155	131	150	150.3333333
    Edd Roush	17 - 22	159	151	146	141	143	131	145.1666667
    Tony Perez	68 - 73	124	140	158	120	145	159	141
    Pete Rose	68 - 73	152	158	125	130	134	138	139.5
    Big Klu	        52 - 57	146	143	167	147	132	97	138.6666667
    The Schnozz	35 - 40	148	140	130	152	119	137	137.6666667
    Eric Davis	86 - 91	143	155	139	152	123	105	136.1666667
    Johnny Bench	70 - 75	141	107	166	119	143	140	136
    Jake Beckley	99 - 04	132	128	130	139	126	144	133.1666667
    Barry Larkin	91 - 96	143	132	124	107	133	154	132.1666667
    Adam Dunn	03 - 08	116	146	140	114	136	132	130.6666667
    Jr. Griffey	00 - 05	133	124	103	145	122	145	128.6666667
    Sr. Griffey	76 - 81	140	127	113	129	127	120	126
    Vada Pinson	59 - 64	128	118	130	114	142	110	123.6666667
    Frank McCormick	39 - 44	130	131	106	111	119	143	123.3333333
    But taking the best six years would put Morgan behind Robinson

    Code:
    Player		          1   	2	3	4	5	6	Ave
    Frank Robby		172	169	163	160	152	151	161.1666667
    Joe Morgan		186	169	159	154	149	138	159.1666667
    George Foster		165	155	151	150	150	139	151.6666667
    Edd Roush		159	151	148	146	143	141	148
    Big Klu		        167	147	146	143	132	124	143.1666667
    Pete Rose		158	152	141	138	134	132	142.5
    Johnny Bench		166	143	141	140	133	129	142
    Eric Davis		155	152	143	139	139	123	141.8333333
    Tony Perez		159	158	145	140	124	124	141.6666667
    The Schnozz		152	148	140	137	131	130	139.6666667
    Barry Larkin		154	143	138	134	133	132	139
    Adam Dunn		146	140	136	136	132	130	136.6666667
    Jake Beckley		144	139	132	130	128	128	133.5
    Jr. Griffey		145	144	133	124	122	119	131.1666667
    Sr. Griffey		140	129	127	127	120	119	127
    Vada Pinson		142	130	128	127	118	114	126.5
    Frank McCormick		143	131	130	119	113	111	124.5
    Guys like Robinson, Bench, Rose etc could put a few more seasons over 120 OPS+. Morgan was a great defender. but so was Bench. Rose did the job wherever needed (even won a couple Gold Gloves in the OF) and Robinson was a better bat for longer. I'm not a big SB guy, but Morgan's steals need to be factored in. He had many at a high success rate and he didn't just accumulate stats, but ran effectively at the right time. I can see the argument for Morgan, but the added seasons would get more weight with me.

    I'd probably go with Bench or Rose (tough call). Robinson would rank ahead of Morgam as well.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS


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