Zach Stewart's night

[Tornon]

Currently pitching for the White Sox against the Twins in Minneapolis. Nobody has reached base through 7 innings against him..

[Tornon]

Nope, leadoff double for Valencia in the 8th. It was kinda cool seeing Zach get that deep though

[Tom Servo]

The Cy Young push begins.



Congrats to Stewart on his effort tonight.

[dougdirt]

I have always liked that kid.

[Mario-Rijo]

I have always liked that kid.

Same here..

[TRF]

I saw the story and decided to look at his game log.

He's pitched in 10 games this year, 8 of them starts. in 3 of his starts he gave up 5 runs and 6 runs and 7 runs. in the other 5 starts he went at least 6 innings and never gave up more than 2 runs.

Which isn't unexpected for a rookie, especially one traded 3 starts into his MLB career. I'd rather have Stewart than Leake. JMO.

[medford]

I'd rather have Stewart than Leake. JMO.

Wait, I thought this was a Stewart or Rolen debate? Are you saying we should have traded Leake for Rolen?

[TRF]

funny. I was in the "The Reds overpaid for Rolen" camp. I'd even go so far as to say the Reds SHOULDN'T have traded for Rolen. He's 36, has a nice long injury history and though he's far and away the best defensive 3B I've seen in red in the last 20 years, his bat has vanished since the ASB of 2010. 8 mil for 65 games? And yet we don't hear the outrage like we did with Griffey. And is anyone really expecting 120+ games or a .780+ OPS from him next year? really?

IMO, the best the Reds should hope for is he's mobile enough to help the next 3B (Francisco, Frazier or even Alonso).

[PuffyPig]

funny. I was in the "The Reds overpaid for Rolen" camp. I'd even go so far as to say the Reds SHOULDN'T have traded for Rolen. He's 36, has a nice long injury history and though he's far and away the best defensive 3B I've seen in red in the last 20 years, his bat has vanished since the ASB of 2010. 8 mil for 65 games? And yet we don't hear the outrage like we did with Griffey. And is anyone really expecting 120+ games or a .780+ OPS from him next year? really?

IMO, the best the Reds should hope for is he's mobile enough to help the next 3B (Francisco, Frazier or even Alonso).

Sure we overpaid, but I wouldn't take back the trade, we don't win the division without Rolen last year.

And I'd take Leake over Stewart, we probbaly don't win the division without Leake either.

I wouldn't mind Stewart back though.

[Scrap Irony]

I wouldn't take back the trade, we don't win the division without Rolen last year.

This.

The Rolen deal got us where we needed to go.

[TRF]

This.

The Rolen deal got us where we needed to go.

Maybe.

Or maybe it was actually Orlando Cabrera that got the Reds where they needed to go.

Seeing as how the Reds were never really in it this year sans Rolen, and his age plus health makes his 8+ million dollar salary for next year for who knows what kind of performance a little albatrossy.

Post ASB 2010 .277 .352 .420 .772
All of 2011 .242 .279 .397 .676

And he turns 37 in April.

So, I was in the overpaid camp. I was pretty alone in the "don't trade for him camp". And I still believe that. Especially if next year is more of the same as this year. Shoulder injuries sap power. Especially for guys with chronic back problems as well.

[Patrick Bateman]

Maybe.

Or maybe it was actually Orlando Cabrera that got the Reds where they needed to go.

Seeing as how the Reds were never really in it this year sans Rolen, and his age plus health makes his 8+ million dollar salary for next year for who knows what kind of performance a little albatrossy.

Post ASB 2010 .277 .352 .420 .772
All of 2011 .242 .279 .397 .676

And he turns 37 in April.

So, I was in the overpaid camp. I was pretty alone in the "don't trade for him camp". And I still believe that. Especially if next year is more of the same as this year. Shoulder injuries sap power. Especially for guys with chronic back problems as well.

Well considering that Rolen was a near elite 3rd basemen last season, and Cabrera stunk, I'm leaning towards thinking that Rolen was the more valuable player.

[Blitz Dorsey]

funny. I was in the "The Reds overpaid for Rolen" camp. I'd even go so far as to say the Reds SHOULDN'T have traded for Rolen. He's 36, has a nice long injury history and though he's far and away the best defensive 3B I've seen in red in the last 20 years, his bat has vanished since the ASB of 2010. 8 mil for 65 games? And yet we don't hear the outrage like we did with Griffey. And is anyone really expecting 120+ games or a .780+ OPS from him next year? really?

IMO, the best the Reds should hope for is he's mobile enough to help the next 3B (Francisco, Frazier or even Alonso).

We don't hear the outrage we did with Griffey for two main reasons:

* We knew we were getting Rolen near the end of his career. Griffey, on the other hand, was supposedly still in his prime (or at least barely removed from his prime) when the Reds traded for him.

* Rolen's contract doesn't even approach Griffey's. It doesn't completely prevent the club from making big moves in the offseason. (Walt still might do nothing, but at least he is not completely hamstrung by a bad contract.) And Rolen only has one more year on his deal. Once it was clear that Griffey was washed up, the Reds still had like 5 years left on his deal. And he was making a ton of money. Rolen's contract doesn't have nearly the negative affect on the franchise that Griffey's did.

Also, and this is JMO, I think a lot of fans believed Griffey was lazy. That's not the case with Rolen.

[medford]

We don't hear the outrage we did with Griffey for two main reasons:

* We knew we were getting Rolen near the end of his career. Griffey, on the other hand, was supposedly still in his prime (or at least barely removed from his prime) when the Reds traded for him.

* Rolen's contract doesn't even approach Griffey's. It doesn't completely prevent the club from making big moves in the offseason. (Walt still might do nothing, but at least he is not completely hamstrung by a bad contract.) And Rolen only has one more year on his deal. Once it was clear that Griffey was washed up, the Reds still had like 5 years left on his deal. And he was making a ton of money. Rolen's contract doesn't have nearly the negative affect on the franchise that Griffey's did.

Also, and this is JMO, I think a lot of fans believed Griffey was lazy. That's not the case with Rolen.

I'd also add, that w/ Rolen, the Reds won the division and went to the playoffs last season. Winning covers a lot of sins, real or perceived. A vast majority of the teams that Griffey played on here, faded down the stretch and never saw a real penant chase in late august/september.

[Ron Madden]

I'd also add, that w/ Rolen, the Reds won the division and went to the playoffs last season. Winning covers a lot of sins, real or perceived. A vast majority of the teams that Griffey played on here, faded down the stretch and never saw a real penant chase in late august/september.

Yep. Because of lousy pitching.