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    Make believe protected list.

    Here's an interesting topic for an off/rainy day and a bit of a change of pace from the usual topics on here.

    Let's say that MLB has decided to expand by two teams in 2012. Every team must submit a protected list for the draft. Those on the protected list cannot be drafted by the expansion teams. The rules for the protected list are as follows:

    A) Players who were drafted in the last two amateur drafts are not eligible to be selected in the Expansion draft. Also, players selected in the 2009 amateur draft who were under the age of 19 at the time they were selected are also exempt. Teams do not have to protect these players. These same rules apply to amateur free agents who signed in the same timeframe.

    B) Any player who is going to be a free agent, obviously, will not need to be protected in this draft, since they will not be on their team’s roster at the time of the draft.

    C) Teams are required to submit a list of 15 eligible players who will be “protected” for the first round, meaning that neither expansion team can select them.


    D) The expansion teams are only allowed to select one player from any organization per round.

    E) After each expansion team has picked 15 players (which would mean that every MLB club has had one players selected), each club is allowed to protect three additional players for Round 2. At that point, the process repeats itself, with 15 more picks, and three more protected players, for Round 3. This continues until each expansion team has selected 35 players

    So, using these rules, what 15 would you protect on the Reds? In my online search for the rules I see that Redleg Nation and The Platoon Advantage has already done this so my apologies for being derivative.
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    Re: Make believe protected list.

    Interesting.


    Aroldis Chapman
    Jonny Cueto
    Devin Mesoraco
    Joey Votto
    Jay Bruce
    Todd Frazier
    Zack Cozart
    Yasmani Grandal
    Juan Francisco
    Yonder Alonso
    Drew Stubbs
    Homer Bailey
    Dave Sappelt
    Logan Ondrusek
    Travis Wood

    That was harder than I thought because I had a hard time picking a solid 15 players to protect. lol

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    Re: Make believe protected list.

    Wouldn't Aroldis fall under Rule A listed above?

    As well as Grandal?

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    Re: Make believe protected list.

    Quote Originally Posted by crazybob60 View Post
    Wouldn't Aroldis fall under Rule A listed above?

    As well as Grandal?
    Grandal would, since he was drafted in 2010. Don't know about Chapman, he was signed between the 2009 and 2010 drafts, and was older than 19 at the time.

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    Re: Make believe protected list.

    Just curious, is this like a Rule V where the guys have to go to the major league roster? If not, I'd be inclined to protect a guy like Corcino, Lotzkar, or Billy Hamilton.

    Otherwise, I think I most agree with the list above. My differences are:
    - I would keep Leake (since Chapman is protected) -- and would keep him over a reliever in any event.
    - I would keep Phillips (since Grandal is protected).
    - I would keep Bray over Ondrusek and Phillips since Grandal is protected. Bray has quietly been our most effective reliever this year. Lefties that miss bats like that are much harder to come by than righties who don't.

    C Mesoraco
    1B Votto
    2B Phillips
    3B Fransisco
    CI/OF Alonso
    CI/OF Frazier
    SS Cozart
    OF Sappelt
    OF Stubbs
    OF Bruce

    SP Cueto
    SP Leake
    SP Wood
    SP Bailey

    RP Bray
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    Re: Make believe protected list.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Just curious, is this like a Rule V where the guys have to go to the major league roster?
    In expansion drafts, they get them for keeps. Selecting 35 players, it stands to reason the team will choose some knowing they'll go to the minors initially. I'd assume any service time/option status stuff would follow to the new team.

    Would Chapman have to be protected? It's not clear. The rules just said "in the same timeframe" as those taken in the amateur draft. I guess it's a matter of interpretation whether he's protected because he signed after the 2009 draft, or not protected since he signed before the 2010 draft. Obviously, he's on the list if he needs to be.

    I don't think Hamilton would need to be protected, thankfully, since he was drafted in 2009 but was 18 years old at the time.

    Corcino would have to be protected if you want to keep him.
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    Re: Make believe protected list.

    Here's mine, guessing Chapman would have to be protected:

    C Mesoraco
    1B Votto
    2B Phillips
    SS Cozart
    3B Fransisco or CI/OF Frazier
    CI/OF Alonso
    OF Sappelt
    OF Stubbs
    OF Bruce

    SP Cueto
    SP Bailey
    SP Leake
    SP Wood
    SP Chapman
    SP Corcino

    I wouldn't protect both Francisco and Frazier. I don't think either projects as a regular anywhere but as Rolen's heir at third base, and I wouldn't want to use two of my initial 15 spots when I know one of them is going to end up either as a utility guy or as trade bait. I'd make my choice and move on. I'd also try like blazes to trade Volquez before the expansion draft, because you know he'd be gone. May as well try to get something.
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    Re: Make believe protected list.

    Quote Originally Posted by cinreds21 View Post
    Interesting.


    Aroldis Chapman
    Jonny Cueto
    Devin Mesoraco
    Joey Votto
    Jay Bruce
    Todd Frazier
    Zack Cozart
    Yasmani Grandal
    Juan Francisco
    Yonder Alonso
    Drew Stubbs
    Homer Bailey
    Dave Sappelt
    Logan Ondrusek
    Travis Wood

    That was harder than I thought because I had a hard time picking a solid 15 players to protect. lol
    I would drop Sappelt, Frasier, and another prospect
    I would add Leake, Phillips, and Bray. Those three guys are pretty critical
    to us contending, and would be difficult to replace. (Bray less critical than the other two)
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    Re: Make believe protected list.

    Turning the question around... now that you've turned in your list, who do you expect to lose first?

    Put yourself in the expansion GM's chair. You get 15 selections (and so does the other expansion team) before the current teams can add three names to their protected list. You have to consider several factors in your draft -- fielding a team right away, stocking the minor leagues, service time and cost issues, etc. Who's the top name on your list of available players from the Reds?

    Although there are obvious risks, Edinson Volquez is clearly the guy I'd grab. Only two years from free agency, but he's still relatively cheap for now (and ought to stay so given this year's results), he should be through his post-TJ recovery period by next year, and although he's inconsistent, he offers a potential rotation payoff that very few other guys in the expansion draft could match.

    Alternatively, I'd consider Ryan Hanigan as an inexpensive catching anchor that should be a step up from fishing the veteran-backup pool.
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    Re: Make believe protected list.

    Chris Heisey would be at/near the top of my list. Guys who can play a legit CF and hit 20+ HR are pretty hard to come by. He may not have the value ceiling of Volquez but's he got a higher floor.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Make believe protected list.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Chris Heisey would be at/near the top of my list. Guys who can play a legit CF and hit 20+ HR are pretty hard to come by. He may not have the value ceiling of Volquez but's he got a higher floor.
    You're right, that's another good option. An expansion team could do a lot worse than to have Heisey in its outfield for a few years.
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    Re: Make believe protected list.

    Quote Originally Posted by cinreds21 View Post
    Interesting.


    Aroldis Chapman
    Jonny Cueto
    Devin Mesoraco
    Joey Votto
    Jay Bruce
    Todd Frazier
    Zack Cozart
    Yasmani Grandal
    Juan Francisco
    Yonder Alonso
    Drew Stubbs
    Homer Bailey
    Dave Sappelt
    Logan Ondrusek
    Travis Wood

    That was harder than I thought because I had a hard time picking a solid 15 players to protect. lol
    Sappelt, Ondrusek, Francisco, Frazier,Wood and others over Leake?

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    Re: Make believe protected list.

    I would go with these guys:

    Joey Votto
    Jay Bruce
    Devin Mesoraco
    Yonder Alonso
    Brandon Phillips
    Zack Cozart
    Drew Stubbs
    Todd Frazier
    Dave Sappelt
    Yasmani Grandal

    Johnny Cueto
    Homer Bailey
    Aroldis Chapman (if he has to be protected)
    Mike Leake
    Brad Boxberger

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    Re: Make believe protected list.

    1.Votto
    2. Bruce
    3. Cueto
    4. Alonso
    5. Chapman
    6. Bailey
    7. Mesoraco
    8. Stubbs
    9. Sappelt
    10. Leake
    11. Cozart
    12. Frazier
    13. Francisco
    14. Soto
    15. Corcino

    I'm assuming Grandal, Hamilton and Torreyes are exempt. Arroyo, Rolen and Phillips probably aren't picked because of contract status. 1st guy picked is one of Heisey. Bray, Volquez or Wood. If I had to pick one, I'd say Volquez. After round one, the other three would be the guys I'd add.
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    Re: Make believe protected list.

    Votto
    Phillips
    Francisco
    Rolen
    Alonso
    Stubbs
    Bruce
    Valakia
    Heisey
    Cueto
    Leake
    Bailey
    Willis
    Chapman


    that's all. These all on the team now, and I have no idea what the rules are regqarding toher on the 40-man.
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