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    A WORD FROM JAY JACOBS:

    April 22, 2013

    Dear Auburn Family,

    In response to an article published by Roopstigo.com earlier this month, we have reviewed the allegations of academic fraud made in the story. Even though many of the sources interviewed for the article criticized the reporter for misquoting or misrepresenting them as soon as the story appeared, the allegations were serious enough to prompt an internal review.

    The attached document illustrates that there are numerous inaccuracies and misrepresentations in the story.

    The most serious allegation is the claim that academic fraud occurred prior to the 2011 BCS National Championship game. Auburn Athletics and Auburn University Internal Auditing have completed independent reviews of the academic allegations. There is no evidence academic fraud occurred.

    The article alleges improper grade changes took place to make nine student-athletes eligible for the 2011 BCS National Championship Game. That is false. In fact, six players were academically ineligible for the BCS National Championship game, and none of them made the trip to Arizona with the team.

    The article also states that former football student-athlete Michael Dyer was academically ineligible prior to the BCS National Championship game. That is also false. Mr. Dyer was never in danger of academic ineligibility. In fact, he passed 15 hours during the fall of 2010 (nine more than required by the NCAA) and had a 2.8 GPA at the end of the fall semester. Mr. Dyer actually passed a combined 24 hours in the summer and fall semesters.

    The article also implies that an academic counselor who works with the athletic department kept Mike McNeil eligible by changing his grade in a course from an F to a C. The article fails to point out that the professor changed Mr. McNeil's grade after documented reasons were provided, including excused absences from classes for medical reasons. The independent review by Auburn University Internal Auditing showed that all institutional policies regarding grade changes for excused absences were followed.

    It is also worth noting that while Mr. McNeil also alleges that former Auburn assistant coach Will Muschamp paid him during the 2007 season, Coach Muschamp immediately and publicly denied the allegations, as was widely reported throughout the media.

    The article also claims that Mr. McNeil recalls receiving $500 cash to entertain a former prospect, Dre Kirkpatrick, while Mr. Kirkpatrick was on an official visit to Auburn. Mr. Kirkpatrick never took an official visit to Auburn. Mr. Kirkpatrick has since publicly stated that no one at Auburn gave him money or spent money on him during unofficial visits to our campus.

    As Auburn's Athletics Director, it's my job-no matter how proud I am of Auburn- to carefully review charges made against our program when warranted.

    As the facts demonstrate, the article is clearly flawed. I want you to know that I will always act on the basis of facts. I will continue to fight for Auburn University, and I will continue to defend this great institution against such attacks. One more thing needs to be said about this story, which unfairly attacked former Head Coach Gene Chizik. Coach Chizik came to Auburn with a strong record of rules compliance and a reputation as a man of the utmost character and integrity. I have enormous respect for Coach Chizik, the way he ran his program throughout his entire tenure at Auburn and also the way he left-with dignity and class.
    There is no credible confluence. Selena Roberts' blog simply can't be treated as a factually accurate source regarding Auburn athletics and this is ignoring her history and treating her latest "reporting" on it's own merits.
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    Personally, I'm glad the UT athletic department is not in heavy debt.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-...30--ncaaf.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    A WORD FROM JAY JACOBS:



    There is no credible confluence. Selena Roberts' blog simply can't be treated as a factually accurate source regarding Auburn athletics and this is ignoring her history and treating her latest "reporting" on it's own merits.

    Cal is clean!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Gack View Post
    Cal is clean!
    Cal was vetted and cleared by the NCAA, the same way Auburn has been. Despite biased reporters with agendas (Selena Roberts with Auburn, Pete Thamel and Pat Forde with Kentucky), the NCAA has not come down in any way fashion or form, unlike Ohio State. Don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house.

    Jojo, being a UK fan I know how you feel. Feel free to go through the UK/NCAA tournament threads of the past and you will see countless posters villifying Calipari and Kentucky. The problem is, the more you fight it and the more you argue, you are defeating your own cause. People are going to believe whatever they want to believe and arguing is basically the equivalent of banging your head against a brick wall. Living in West Virginia and having family that's WVU fans, I've learned to just laugh it off and respond with sarcasm or point out their coaches misdeeds and watch them try to defend it. It works quite well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    Cal was vetted and cleared by the NCAA, the same way Auburn has been. Despite biased reporters with agendas (Selena Roberts with Auburn, Pete Thamel and Pat Forde with Kentucky), the NCAA has not come down in any way fashion or form, unlike Ohio State. Don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house.

    Jojo, being a UK fan I know how you feel. Feel free to go through the UK/NCAA tournament threads of the past and you will see countless posters villifying Calipari and Kentucky. The problem is, the more you fight it and the more you argue, you are defeating your own cause. People are going to believe whatever they want to believe and arguing is basically the equivalent of banging your head against a brick wall. Living in West Virginia and having family that's WVU fans, I've learned to just laugh it off and respond with sarcasm or point out their coaches misdeeds and watch them try to defend it. It works quite well.

    Nah, you're missing the point. Cal is 'clean' in the NCAA's eyes, but not the eye test. In fact, I love Cal and I root for Kentucky even though I'm a UC fan. I don't believe he's doing anything different than what other coaches are doing (recruiting-wise anyway).
    I just think he plays the 'game' better.

    With that said, the dude is shady. Those players at Kentucky aren't just getting a free education. ANd neither are they at IU or Ohio State or. . . etc. Cal is just really good at what he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    Cal was vetted and cleared by the NCAA, the same way Auburn has been. Despite biased reporters with agendas (Selena Roberts with Auburn, Pete Thamel and Pat Forde with Kentucky), the NCAA has not come down in any way fashion or form, unlike Ohio State. Don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house.

    Jojo, being a UK fan I know how you feel. Feel free to go through the UK/NCAA tournament threads of the past and you will see countless posters villifying Calipari and Kentucky. The problem is, the more you fight it and the more you argue, you are defeating your own cause. People are going to believe whatever they want to believe and arguing is basically the equivalent of banging your head against a brick wall. Living in West Virginia and having family that's WVU fans, I've learned to just laugh it off and respond with sarcasm or point out their coaches misdeeds and watch them try to defend it. It works quite well.
    Yep. The fact that there is no physical evidence for the existence of Bigfoot just proves how intelligent Bigfoots are.....

    Meanwhile its been over two decades since the Auburn football has been meaningfully sanctioned.
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    Apparently the Big 12 thinks it's better than the SEC and doesn't think the SEC deserves to be considered the premier conference in college football.

    It's a tortured argument on its face but basically Stoops and company bases their argument on a single year-last year-where the SEC was noticeably down due to several bad years by traditionally strong programs.

    It's a silly argument no matter how one cuts it but claiming you're better because Iowa State almost beat Kansas State last season is kinda of ridiculous especially since the Big 12's top two teams got trounced in their bowl games and the signature post season win for the conference was the Alamo Bowl versus Oregon State. And lets face it, while beating Iowa State would actually be a signature win for Charlie Weis, his offensive genius didn't exactly strike fear in the hearts of SEC defenses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoops;
    You’re listening to a lot of propaganda that gets fed out to you. You’re more than smart enough to figure it out. Again, you can look at the top two, three, four, five, six teams, and you can look at the bottom six, seven, eight, whatever they are. How well are they all doing?
    http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_...-sec-criticism

    BTW, Stoops' team-the creme of the Big 12- lost by 28 in their bowl game, against, yep, you guessed it, a team from the SEC.
    Last edited by jojo; 05-13-2013 at 05:24 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Apparently the Big 12 thinks it's better than the SEC and doesn't think the SEC deserves to be considered the premier conference in college football.

    It's a tortured argument on its face but basically Stoops and company bases their argument on a single year-last year-where the SEC was noticeably down due to several bad years by traditionally strong programs.

    It's a silly argument no matter how one cuts it but claiming you're better because Iowa State almost beat Kansas State last season is kinda of ridiculous especially since the Big 12's top two teams got trounced in their bowl games and the signature post season win for the conference was the Alamo Bowl versus Oregon State. And lets face it, while beating Iowa State would actually be a signature win for Charlie Weis, his offensive genius didn't exactly strike fear in the hearts of SEC defenses.



    http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_...-sec-criticism

    BTW, Stoops' team-the creme of the Big 12- lost by 28 in their bowl game, against, yep, you guessed it, a team from the SEC.
    One year removed from the Big 12, no doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    One year removed from the Big 12, no doubt.

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    If big 12 apologists somehow want to claim Texas A&M as "big 12" then they have to acknowledge their league was weakened by A&M's exodus and the gap between the Big 12 and SEC grew even wider by A&M joining the SEC.

    Weis claims to be a numbers guy and argues that somehow analytics is on Stoops' side but really their comments only indicate a failing grade in history and fuzzy math.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    I think Bob has a point, the SEC would be much stronger if they dumped some dead weight, lets start with the M's, Missy,Missy St and Mizzo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    I think Bob has a point, the SEC would be much stronger if they dumped some dead weight, lets start with the M's, Missy,Missy St and Mizzo.
    I would miss going to Oxford an awful lot.
    When all is said and done more is said than done.

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    I would miss going to Oxford an awful lot.
    Starkville, not so much.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Starkville, not so much.
    Good spot for baseball. Otherwise...
    When all is said and done more is said than done.

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    Florida assistant Tim Davis calls Saban "the devil himself"

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    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    I think Bob has a point, the SEC would be much stronger if they dumped some dead weight, lets start with the M's, Missy,Missy St and Mizzo.
    By definition every conference has to have bottomfeeders but the SEC bottom is better than any other. Have you checked the recruits from a few months ago? Ole Miss was #10 in the country snagging 4 top 100 players, the same number as Mich and Ohio St.

    http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2013

    Most conferences would beg for such a bottomfeeder


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