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    On the drug story ESPN says that Auburn tested for this drug in 2010, but that letter says they didn't start until 2011. So which is it? Did they not "officially" start testing until 2011, but had a bunch of failed tests in 2010 and is there any evidence of these 2010 tests that ESPN is sighting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRed27 View Post
    On the drug story ESPN says that Auburn tested for this drug in 2010, but that letter says they didn't start until 2011. So which is it? Did they not "officially" start testing until 2011, but had a bunch of failed tests in 2010 and is there any evidence of these 2010 tests that ESPN is sighting?
    An official test wasn't available until 2011. Auburn actually assisted in the development of the test.

    Auburn learned of the availability of the drug in stores. Auburn helped develop a test for it because one wasn't available. Auburn began testing for the drug a couple of days after a reliable test was available. Michael Dyer wonders how ESPN could argue Auburn didn't penalize players who tested positive for an illegal drug.

    Here's a brief rebuttal of ESPN. You can also assume the the timeline from Jacob's statement is accurate.

    http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/...ce=top-modules
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    It speaks volumes that you keep trying to kick strawmen in the nads.

    This is a message board. Opinions are given. And poorly constructed, unsubstantiated opinions are revealed as being just that-invalid and not equal to ones based upon fact.
    Nicely said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    Nicely said.

    If you think it's geeky to have a reason for your opinion, then I don't know what to tell you other than you'll find your opinions are often treated as invalid and less compelling.
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    Players with an axe to grind are rarely the best source of information. Remember the 2004 ESPN investigation into Ohio State? They went to every doofus that had been kicked off the team, flunked out, or transferred.

    Does Auburn have some skeletons in the closet? Probably.
    Are they unique in that regard? No.

    Go around the country and start counting the schools that have some sort of NCAA violation in the last 10-15 years. The list gets pretty long. Internet arguments on the sanctity of the schools is at best an exercise in annoyance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck View Post
    Players with an axe to grind are rarely the best source of information. Remember the 2004 ESPN investigation into Ohio State? They went to every doofus that had been kicked off the team, flunked out, or transferred.

    Does Auburn have some skeletons in the closet? Probably.
    Are they unique in that regard? No.

    Go around the country and start counting the schools that have some sort of NCAA violation in the last 10-15 years. The list gets pretty long. Internet arguments on the sanctity of the schools is at best an exercise in annoyance.
    I've never argued that Auburn is Camelot.

    I have refuted statements that aren't factually correct. That's two dramatically different things.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    If you think it's geeky to have a reason for your opinion, then I don't know what to tell you other than you'll find your opinions are often treated as invalid and less compelling.
    Nothing to do with being geeky. A whole bunch to do with attitude and the message that is being typed. Maybe only idiots (the rest of us) understand that. Have a good day, jojo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I've never argued that Auburn is Camelot.

    I have refuted statements that aren't factually correct. That's two dramatically different things.
    I meant no malice towards Auburn or you. I just grow weary of the ever present gotcha games that fan bases throw at each other.

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    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    Nothing to do with being geeky. A whole bunch to do with attitude and the message that is being typed. Maybe only idiots (the rest of us) understand that. Have a good day, jojo.

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    Here's the thing-it's not holier than though to evaluate a person's reasons for their opinions especailly when they state them emphatically.

    It is kind of strange to see someone get offended when asked to justify their opinions though.

    And frankly, its unreasonable to expect all opinions to be treated as equal (that's not a holier than thou position to hold either).

    Either you want to discuss the merits of Roberts' story or you don't.
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    I meant no malice towards Auburn or you. I just grow weary of the ever present gotcha games that fan bases throw at each other.

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    I know.

    But while one shouldn't throw stones in glass houses, it's ok to throw them at Bama fans.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    http://www.oanow.com/sports/college/...medium=twitter

    Auburn releases Selena Roberts' interview request, calls report 'gotchya, hide-the-bal journalism
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    Nothing to do with being geeky. A whole bunch to do with attitude and the message that is being typed. Maybe only idiots (the rest of us) understand that. Have a good day, jojo.

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    I'm an idiot that understands the need for proof when asking for backing up an opinion.

    If you back nothing up, your opinion isn't anything more than hot air.

    If that's holier than thou, then this board as a whole is pretty much holier than thou. Posters at the beginning of Redszone certainly demanded proof for opinions. It's not like this is something new to this site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck View Post
    I meant no malice towards Auburn or you. I just grow weary of the ever present gotcha games that fan bases throw at each other.

    Glass Houses
    Similar sentiment from Forde today in an article about the NCAA. Pretty decent piece, even if you disagree with him.

    "Instead, it's easier to fall back on the old reliable position of paranoia and persecution. My Favorite School was unfairly railroaded by the inept, agenda-driven NCAA. All other schools get a pass from the NCAA because My Favorite School is hated by the powers that be."

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab--...221627831.html

    Same can be said about the "media"
    When all is said and done more is said than done.

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    ESPN tried to defend their story about Auburn and SPICE in response to criticisms:

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    ďESPN The Magazine stands by its reporting on the Auburn story (http://es.pn/16wYndx), a process conducted over six months and including more than 30 interviews. Contrary to other suggestions, JWH-018 (Spice) has been illegal to possess in the state of Alabama since the Alabama Synthetic Marijuana law was enacted July 1, 2010: http://bit.ly/YXosSB (2010-717). Additionally, during that same month a test for the drug was made available to the general public:. http://bit.ly/10EIHSm.Ē
    ESPN was then kinda eviscerated:

    Alabama did pass a synthetic marijuana law on July 1, 2010. Because of a loophole, manufacturers were able to skirt around the law. Such products were not removed from store shelves until an emergency order was passed in October 14, 2011. Had this product not been on store shelves, giving stores a 10-day grace period to remove said product from their store shelves would not have been necessary.

    Auburn contends they inquired about a test with their drug testing company in the Fall of 2010 and were told one wasnít available. They implemented it three days after the company had a preliminary one in January 2011. This was for a drug that (a) any player could have walked into a store and bought and (b) was not on the NCAA or Auburnís banned substances list. If accurate, that is a reasonable course of action. It is more proactive than they were required to be.

    ESPNís contention is that Auburn was derelict because the school should have known there was an ďepidemicĒ of synthetic marijuana use (12 players failed the test, a figure lower than the 26.7 percent of college football players who admit marijuana use) when they werenít testing and should have scoured the rest of the country to find another testing agency to conduct the tests immediately. That is an unfair criticism.

    Criticize a school for not meeting its obligations. You canít criticize a school credibly for failing to go well beyond its obligations. Especially when there were none. There is no prescribed standard of conduct to which one could compare Auburnís handling of synthetic marijuana. The article mentions no comparison to how any other school handled synthetic marijuana. However long it took and however many interviews were conducted, this piece is a scandalous, empty headline devoid of coherent logic for its existence.
    Link to updated story with response: http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/...e-major-flaws/
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