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    Phillips returning.

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    Well, that's good. [/Forrest Gump voice]
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    Two plus a club option third? Would BP go for that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    Two plus a club option third? Would BP go for that?
    That would be an ideal bridge to Hamilton/Torreyes.
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    Re: Phillips returning.

    I'm in for scrapping the 2012 contract and signing a 5/55 or 4/48 or 3/40. However, I often wish teams would FRONTLOAD their contracts to make sure they don't overpay an old guy. I don't think he'll age poorly. He's already lost a step on the bases and just put up a great year. He'll always hit .275 and play GG defense. He keeps in great shape, plays hurt, never had a drop of alcohol, and produces when healthy. This, I think, is the first year he's been fully healthy in 3-4 years. He hits up and down the lineup.
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    Re: Phillips returning.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    I'm in for scrapping the 2012 contract and signing a 5/55 or 4/48 or 3/40. However, I often wish teams would FRONTLOAD their contracts to make sure they don't overpay an old guy. I don't think he'll age poorly. He's already lost a step on the bases and just put up a great year. He'll always hit .275 and play GG defense. He keeps in great shape, plays hurt, never had a drop of alcohol, and produces when healthy. This, I think, is the first year he's been fully healthy in 3-4 years. He hits up and down the lineup.
    Agreed completely. I don't think I'd go 5 years though. 2-4 should be plenty. If they go 2 years, I'd add on a year or two as optional.
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    Re: Phillips returning.

    He plays Gold Glove defense in that he's very flashy and can make incredible plays. However, his dWAR is usually right around 0.

    And he has said he won't give the Reds any kind of discount.
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    Re: Phillips returning.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    I often wish teams would FRONTLOAD their contracts to make sure they don't overpay an old guy.
    Me too. I wonder why clubs don't pursue this concept more. Having lower salaries later in contracts would enable much greater roster flexibility.
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    Re: Phillips returning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    He plays Gold Glove defense in that he's very flashy and can make incredible plays. However, his dWAR is usually right around 0.

    And he has said he won't give the Reds any kind of discount.
    Clearly you are not using Fangraphs' WAR. Only Chase Utley has been better at 2B over the past five years at 2B than BP has using Fangraphs UZR, which is used to compute WAR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Me too. I wonder why clubs don't pursue this concept more. Having lower salaries later in contracts would enable much greater roster flexibility.
    Because GM's don't know if they'll be around in five years.
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    Re: Phillips returning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Me too. I wonder why clubs don't pursue this concept more. Having lower salaries later in contracts would enable much greater roster flexibility.
    Players who were outperforming their contracts would always want to renegotiate.
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    Re: Phillips returning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Me too. I wonder why clubs don't pursue this concept more. Having lower salaries later in contracts would enable much greater roster flexibility.
    The problem is that the flexibility is at the end of the contract. It hamstrings the club in the present.

    Why pay big bucks now for a guy to be a centerpiece on a contender right now if it means you don't have the money to give him the supporting cast necessary to compete?

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    Re: Phillips returning.

    That Phillips will be a Red in 2012 is not news at all. it was all but a given. The real news will be whether an extension gets worked out or not.
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    Re: Phillips returning.

    I'll be pretty disappointed/confused if the Reds don't extend Phillips, yet don't make any other moves in the offseason to "go for it" in 2012.

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    Re: Phillips returning.

    While I think (hope) they rework his contract and sign him multiple years, I have to laugh at Phillips, or any ballplayer, who thinks it's a "slap in the face" to exercise an option that pays them $12M/year... even if it's only for one year. Give me a break!
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