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    Commissioner David Stern floated it as an idea more than a firm proposal: a 50-50 revenue split.
    Even so, the union's reply was unequivocal.
    "They said, 'We can't do it."' according to Stern.
    And with that, the remainder of the preseason was lost and the first two weeks of the regular season moved to the brink of cancellation.
    The NBA shelved the rest of its exhibition schedule Tuesday and will wipe out the first two weeks of the regular season if there is no labor agreement by Monday.
    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1ZrnOjNTe

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    I must say, the NBA is really rolling the dice here.

    They are perilously close to an NHL-like reduction in sports market mindshare and fandom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker View Post
    I must say, the NBA is really rolling the dice here.

    They are perilously close to an NHL-like reduction in sports market mindshare and fandom.
    IMO the NHL made the right move for the future of the league. It may have set them back 10 years, but it had to be done.

    I have to think the NBA is in some serious trouble right now. I don't see a solution out there that the players agree too nor do I see a deal the owners are willing to offer. It could be a lost season.

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    NBA Commissioner David Stern cancels the first two weeks of the season.
    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1aQzef0PF

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    I remember how the NBA was supposed to learn from the NFL lockout and avoid all this.


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    The breakdown of NBA labor talks Thursday likely will force more games to be canceled after negotiations failed to yield a deal to end the lockout.
    After 30 hours of negotiations over three days, the two sides remained divided over two main issues - the division of revenues and the structure of the salary cap system.
    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1bN8pAf8x

    Or maybe not. My personal deadline is Christmas Day. No games by Christmas Day and I am sitting this season out.

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    Both sides of these negotiations are plain stupid.

    They are making the mistake that there is an NFL-or-MLB-like pent-up passionate demand for NBA basketball. But 90% of NBA "fans" will go "hum, no pro ball, let's watch football, hockey, college hoops, etc etc." and won't skip a beat.

    Maybe this is what the owners want is to completely blow up the sport to neuter the player's union and radically restructure the economics. But I think they are sorely underestimating the damage they are doing to their sport. They'll put it back to the stone age of the late 70's when the Finals were on tape delay after the 11:30 news because they drove the market away.

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    Three days and 30 hours' worth of talks ended on a nasty note Thursday in NBA labor negotiations. And only one thing seemed fairly certain: more games were likely to be cut. Possibly even the season.

    Players insist that's the outcome owners wanted all along - "preordained," as union executive director Billy Hunter said.
    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1bSNq8l7d

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    I like the NBA, but I won't miss it. It would be nice to have the playoffs next spring, but even there is plenty else to watch. Between college hoops, the start of baseball and even soccer (try it, you might like it!) there is plenty out there for fans to watch.

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    I don't know anyone personally who will miss it one iota.

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    As stated, with college hoops, NFL and then ST around the corner, there are plenty of choices out there.

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    I think the underlying reason for this is fallout from the shenanigans pulled by Lebron James, Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade. Small market teams benefit from an NFL-style system not just from keeping a ceiling on salaries, but also by prevent top talent from gravitating toward large markets. Success in the NFL is determined more by football acumen than by market-size. Green Bay and Indy wouldn't have teams, let alone successful ones, if the NFL was like the NBA or MLB. But because the NFL system keeps talent spread across markets, small markets can thrive and be profitable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yachtzee View Post
    I think the underlying reason for this is fallout from the shenanigans pulled by Lebron James, Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade. Small market teams benefit from an NFL-style system not just from keeping a ceiling on salaries, but also by prevent top talent from gravitating toward large markets. Success in the NFL is determined more by football acumen than by market-size. Green Bay and Indy wouldn't have teams, let alone successful ones, if the NFL was like the NBA or MLB. But because the NFL system keeps talent spread across markets, small markets can thrive and be profitable.
    The LeBron move has been happening for years. Shaq did it in the 90's and Kareem did it in the 70's. Moving from a small market to large market is nothing new in basketball (or any other sport for that matter).

    It is unfair to compare the NFL and NBA's revenue system because they are very different. The NFL makes all of its money from TV, which they are able to run from the top because they play so many games at TV friendly times. The NBA (and MLB for that matter) have relatively small national TV deals, but they have larger local cable deals. This probably won't change because the big networks aren't going to want to pay for the rights to a Tuesday night Bucks vs. Raptors game. So, revenue sharing is not really possible on the NFL's scale.

    BTW, does anyone else find it ironic in an era of attacking big federal government and federal welfare that the NFL, our most nation's most socialist organization, is also its shining model of prosperity? We really are an interesting and bizarre country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by improbus View Post
    The LeBron move has been happening for years. Shaq did it in the 90's and Kareem did it in the 70's. Moving from a small market to large market is nothing new in basketball (or any other sport for that matter).

    It is unfair to compare the NFL and NBA's revenue system because they are very different. The NFL makes all of its money from TV, which they are able to run from the top because they play so many games at TV friendly times. The NBA (and MLB for that matter) have relatively small national TV deals, but they have larger local cable deals. This probably won't change because the big networks aren't going to want to pay for the rights to a Tuesday night Bucks vs. Raptors game. So, revenue sharing is not really possible on the NFL's scale.

    BTW, does anyone else find it ironic in an era of attacking big federal government and federal welfare that the NFL, our most nation's most socialist organization, is also its shining model of prosperity? We really are an interesting and bizarre country.
    It's not a socialist organization. Let's just stop throwing the word "socialist" out there in a context where it has absolutely no connection. Socialism is purely political in nature and has no real application in a purely business-oriented industry. For the NFL to be socialist, it would have to be a government-run enterprise with management either elected by the populace or appointed by the political regime.

    If you want a word that more closely fits the description of the NFL, and other professional sports leagues for that matter, is a cartel. It is a group of like-minded businessmen who individually own businesses in a particular industry who agree to work together for their mutual benefit in order to ensure a stable market for their product. Every sports league is the same. They have rules that limit who may enter the league and where they may place their reams. They set a joint schedule for competition and decide the rules that govern the competition the field. They limit how, when and where teams can solicit players to play for their teams. In fact, sports teams are not even considered independent businesses, but rather "franchises" granted by the league, subject to approval by other owners. It's similar to the way industries like oil, gas, and railroads were run before the passage of the Sherman Anti-Trust act and it is the reason why sports leagues have limited anti-trust exemptions necessary to conduct business.

    If you look at leagues as cartels, the spectrum you judge leagues by would be strong v. weak cartel. And one end you would have a strong cartel with a high-degree of cooperation between owners. The other end of the spectrum would be an open market structure, where anyone with enough cash and a place to do business could start up a team, solicit players from anywhere, including players already under contract from other teams, and could set their own schedules based on who they think would bring in the most cash. This style of business environment would likely result in players jumping teams on a regular basis and owners being able to start an new team or move an existing team into any geographic market they saw fit. In fact, this open-market style sports league would probably best describe MLB under the National Association era and earlier, before the advent of the National League in 1876, or pro football before 1921 when a group of like-minded owners got together in Canton, OH to from what would become the NFL.

    Because we look at sports as "competition" between teams, it's easy to lose site of the fact that no professional sports franchise truly in competition with the other franchises its league, but rather, each league is in competition with other forms of entertainment for the discretionary income of potential customers.

    A socialist sports league would be something akin to the professional sports leagues of the Soviet Union, where teams were underwritten by trade unions and branches of the government rather than wealthy businessmen.
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    It also obviously helps that the NFL only has 16 games, so there's just the single, national television contract (ok, there are 5 separate networks, but they are all national contracts that the teams share evenly). With 82 and 162 games, respectively, that model obviously wouldn't work in the NBA or MLB. And that drives a large portion of the wealth differential between big and small markets in those leagues.


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