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  • RHP Brad Boxberger

    10 10.75%
  • RHP Dan Corcino

    13 13.98%
  • SS Zack Cozart

    23 24.73%
  • UT Todd Frazier

    0 0%
  • SS Billy Hamilton

    32 34.41%
  • RHP Kyle Lotzkar

    0 0%
  • OF Yorman Rodriguez

    1 1.08%
  • OF Dave Sappelt

    0 0%
  • 1B Neftali Soto

    4 4.30%
  • RHP Robert Stephenson

    8 8.60%
  • 2B Ron Torreyes

    1 1.08%
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Thread: Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

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    Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    #1 C Devin Mesoraco
    #2 1B/OF Yonder Alonso
    #3 C Yasmani Grandal

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    I went with Corcino. Big arm, good control, above average pitches, solid mechanics, good numbers.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    I like Cozart about as much as anyone, but personally, I'm going to give the nod to Stephenson just based on his ceiling.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    Zack Cozart is still there and he has been my pick at 2 and 3, and well I should put him at 4.

    I would have had Grandal here normally.

    1. Mesoraco
    2. Cozart
    3. Alonso
    4. Grandal

    Is the way mine have gone thusfar....

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    I went with Corcino. I like Cozart, but I'm not sure he'll be much more than an a slightly above average player in the long run. Stephenson may deserve this spot, but it's too early to tell.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    Stephanson. Easy high 90's fastball. Excellent make up. Pitchers frame. This could go really well for the Reds.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    I'll take the starting shortstop with glove, speed and pretty good power.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    Cozart for me. The top seven or eight guys after Mesoraco are all fairly even IMO. Some have higher potential, others have higher floors. After that its just a matter of what you value. A SS who can handle the position defensively easily has the lowest bar to hurdle from there. I don't think Zach Cozart is going to be an all star except maybe in a high BABIP career year here or there, but I do think he will be a solid game-in, game-out defender who can contribute offensively with good baserunning with some speed, occassional power and enough BA to prevent him from being a black hole in the line-up. I value that more than most of the others. Alonso as a seemingly legit middle of the order bat would be the only other guy I'd consider ahead of him besides Mes, but Cozart is number 2 on my personal list (with Mes 1 and Alonso 3). Grandal has a bit of a Javy feel for me with questions about his bat at upper levels and his glove. I haven't seen many places that project Corcino for much more than 5th starter material. Billy Hamilton and Ronald Torreyes have promise but are just too far away to keep the negatives about them from putting them ahead of Cozart. Sappelt may be an option and I actually have him rated number 4 on my personal list behind Mes, Cozart and Alonso. Y-Rod seemed to take a step back in 2011. He seems to have outgrown CF and that has raised the bar on his offense. He's still a kid, so I've backed him down a bit until he hits. Relievers seem to have more value collectively than they do individually, but Boxberger seems like the real deal for me and he's sneaking up my list.

    Stephenson is a wild card and I hope he rises to the top next year at this time, but I can't put him in the top 5 without more track record under his belt.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    Cozart. If what he showed during his time with the Reds is any indication, he's going to be a real important piece. I don't care how old he is. He could be a very cheap and productive SS who plays the game with plus instincts for several years. People are clamoring about the importance of position -- some would say finding a good SS is just as tough as finding a good catcher.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    Given Corcino's frame, at this point I would rate him a bit lower down.

    I have him about 7 or 8 on the list. If he succeeds next year at higher levels, he shoots up the chart for me.

    I have Hamilton, Cozart, Boxberger next. Then 6 to 9 would be some combo of Yorman, Corcino, and Stephenson. Then Frazier ten and Soto eleven or vice versa. Reds are still deep, even with all the promotions to MLB in recent years.

    Still think Hamilton is a major prospect who should be 4 or higher.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    Still think Hamilton is a major prospect who should be 4 or higher.
    I'm really excited about Hamilton, too, but in the end he's got one plus-plus tool and no other tool that's plus at the moment. I'm waiting to see if he hits/gets on base at upper levels. If he does, he's a #1 type prospect (in the system). But right now, he's a little too slappy as a hitter and a little too suspect as a defender at SS to get ahead of Cozart, for me.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    I went with Cozart again here. So far I thought the order was Mes, Yonder, Cozart, Grandal. I think good arguments could be made for a number of others- soto, corcino, francisco, hamilton, etc. It is refreshing that these decisions have been so tough the past couple of years because of a bunch of quality choices instead of meh.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Cozart. If what he showed during his time with the Reds is any indication, he's going to be a real important piece. I don't care how old he is. He could be a very cheap and productive SS who plays the game with plus instincts for several years. People are clamoring about the importance of position -- some would say finding a good SS is just as tough as finding a good catcher.
    Age? I don't know who has a problem with his age but making the bigs at 25 isn't a bad thing, I believe 24 years old is roughly the norm.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    Age? I don't know who has a problem with his age but making the bigs at 25 isn't a bad thing, I believe 24 years old is roughly the norm.
    Some are downgrading him vs. other prospects in this discussion due to his age. It's a variable to consider when ranking these guys.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #4 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Some are downgrading him vs. other prospects in this discussion due to his age. It's a variable to consider when ranking these guys.
    I think another reason that people are downgrading Cozart is that he doesn't have one thing that really stands out about him. While another shortstop (Hamilton) has speed. But, what else does Hamilton have? I don't think that's as big of a concern with Cozart. Cozart doesn't have as many weaknesses as Hamilton. But, Hamiltons speed is sexy so it's getting alot of attention. Possibly a little too much.
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