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    Pirates decline options on Maholm and 3 others

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    Re: Pirates decline options on Maholm and 3 others

    I've always liked Maholm. If they could somehow dump Arroyo and his salary on another team, I wouldn't mind a Maholm signing, as long as it was for less money than Arroyo.
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    Re: Pirates decline options on Maholm and 3 others

    They also cast Brandon Wood adrift. He being, at one time, the missing Reds SS of the future.
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    Re: Pirates decline options on Maholm and 3 others

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    They also cast Brandon Wood adrift. He being, at one time, the missing Reds SS of the future.
    The Angels' handling of him should be a cautionary tale to not overly hoard your prospects. They could have gotten great value for him at one point.
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    Re: Pirates decline options on Maholm and 3 others

    The Angels' handling of him should be a cautionary tale to not overly hoard your prospects. They could have gotten great value for him at one point.
    Hindsight. Note that they currently have a hole at 3B. Wood profiled as a great fit there. They gave him a fair share of major league time, hoping he'd be the answer, and he failed miserably. Teams do not necessarily know what their prospects will do at the major league level.
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    Re: Pirates decline options on Maholm and 3 others

    Didn't Maholm have a sub-4.00 e.r.a., but with a losing record?

    Geez. The Pirates really are super cheap.
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    Re: Pirates decline options on Maholm and 3 others

    Someone will pick up Maholm. Pirates simply declined the option on his +$9M salary for next year.
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    Re: Pirates decline options on Maholm and 3 others

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Didn't Maholm have a sub-4.00 e.r.a., but with a losing record?

    Geez. The Pirates really are super cheap.
    It's a good call by the Pirates. His innings have declined every year since 2008 and he throws in the 87 mph range now. He's useful to someone's backend of the rotation but not to the Pirates at $9m.....
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    Re: Pirates decline options on Maholm and 3 others

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Hindsight. Note that they currently have a hole at 3B. Wood profiled as a great fit there. They gave him a fair share of major league time, hoping he'd be the answer, and he failed miserably. Teams do not necessarily know what their prospects will do at the major league level.
    Doesn't change Beni's point. And it wasn't hindsight. Angels could have dealt him for a huge return multiple times, didn't. Left him to molder in AAA, let the bloom come off his prospect rose, and then found out he couldn't really play in the bigs.

    Hence, the cautionary tale.

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    Re: Pirates decline options on Maholm and 3 others

    Quote Originally Posted by membengal View Post
    Doesn't change Beni's point. And it wasn't hindsight. Angels could have dealt him for a huge return multiple times, didn't. Left him to molder in AAA, let the bloom come off his prospect rose, and then found out he couldn't really play in the bigs.

    Hence, the cautionary tale.
    Sounds like some of the Reds prospects.
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    Re: Pirates decline options on Maholm and 3 others

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Sounds like some of every team in the majors prospects.
    FTFY

    Player evaluation will always be what makes or breaks a GM. Pirates had to let Maholm walk at that price. Paying full market value for a 2.1 fWAR player (assuming he can repeat 2011, which seems likely) will not work for a mid market team.
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