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    Is this family court judge unfit?

    This video seems to speak for itself. At least I can't imagine a context where the content of this video could be taken out of context.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/02/justic...ing/?hpt=hp_t2

    Can a judge do this and still be trusted to do his job?
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    Re: Is this family court judge unfit?

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    This video seems to speak for itself. At least I can't imagine a context where the content of this video could be taken out of context.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/02/justic...ing/?hpt=hp_t2

    Can a judge do this and still be trusted to do his job?
    I can understand that this beating needs to be investigated to determine if it was legal corporal punishment or illegal abuse. If it is determined to be abuse, then the judge should lose his job, if not then the judge should be retained. Either way, he will likely not get reelected. See the link below for the difference between corporal punishment and abuse.

    http://resources.lawinfo.com/en/Arti...ome-abuse.html

    It seems to me that his actions on this video would not legally constitute abuse.
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    Re: Is this family court judge unfit?

    Quote Originally Posted by PickOff View Post
    I can understand that this beating needs to be investigated to determine if it was legal corporal punishment or illegal abuse. If it is determined to be abuse, then the judge should lose his job, if not then the judge should be retained. Either way, he will likely not get reelected. See the link below for the difference between corporal punishment and abuse.

    http://resources.lawinfo.com/en/Arti...ome-abuse.html

    It seems to me that his actions on this video would not legally constitute abuse.
    Corporal punishment doesn't apply since its not a school setting. Whether the punishment constitutes discipline or abuse would be decided on the physical/emotional harm question if put before a jury. Considering the duration and that this was not an isolated incident, based on statements by daughter, mom and the fact that daughter was aware of potential abuse to set up a camera, i'd say it wouldn't be to hard for a jury to find abuse. People have been convicted of felony abuse and child endangerment for less.

    If this judge is a family court judge, his presence on the bench calls into question the legitimacy of the legal system in that jurisdiction, particularly when it comes to abuse cases.
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    Re: Is this family court judge unfit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yachtzee View Post
    Corporal punishment doesn't apply since its not a school setting. Whether the punishment constitutes discipline or abuse would be decided on the physical/emotional harm question if put before a jury. Considering the duration and that this was not an isolated incident, based on statements by daughter, mom and the fact that daughter was aware of potential abuse to set up a camera, i'd say it wouldn't be to hard for a jury to find abuse. People have been convicted of felony abuse and child endangerment for less.

    If this judge is a family court judge, his presence on the bench calls into question the legitimacy of the legal system in that jurisdiction, particularly when it comes to abuse cases.
    I don't think he's currently on the bench. Pretty sure he got a little vacation while the allegations were looked into. While the DA said that he won't be charged criminally (because it was so long ago) it seems that whether he returns to the bench is up in the air. Plus there's the issue of whether this would affect custody of his younger daughter (think she's 10).
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    It happened in Texas. Kid is lucky he didn't just shoot her.
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    Re: Is this family court judge unfit?

    Corporal punishment should never last longer than a minute. Imagine someone hitting you repeatedly for a minute. Usually 10 seconds is enough to be very effective.

    Anything longer than a minute is usually considered abuse. This lasted 7 1/2 minutes. It's not even a close call.
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    Re: Is this family court judge unfit?

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Corporal punishment should never last longer than a minute. Imagine someone hitting you repeatedly for a minute. Usually 10 seconds is enough to be very effective.

    Anything longer than a minute is usually considered abuse. This lasted 7 1/2 minutes. It's not even a close call.
    A minute is still one minute too long in my book.
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    Re: Is this family court judge unfit?

    While I personally think his actions are reprehensible, even if the actions were criminal, the statute of limitations for these actions is 5 years -- per CNN. So there probably won't be legs to the "news story" angle on this. Maybe he'll step down, maybe not. He probably won't be re-elected.
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    Re: Is this family court judge unfit?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    While I personally think his actions are reprehensible, even if the actions were criminal, the statute of limitations for these actions is 5 years -- per CNN. So there probably won't be legs to the "news story" angle on this. Maybe he'll step down, maybe not. He probably won't be re-elected.
    The daughter could claim that the abuse was ongoing for a number of years after that video. The video could certainly serve as evidence to support that claim.
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    Re: Is this family court judge unfit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    The daughter could claim that the abuse was ongoing for a number of years after that video. The video could certainly serve as evidence to support that claim.
    The video would support the initial claim of abuse. But there's no evidence that it was ongoing.
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    Re: Is this family court judge unfit?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    The video would support the initial claim of abuse. But there's no evidence that it was ongoing.
    None that we know of ... yet. Who knows if anything else might come out.
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    Re: Is this family court judge unfit?

    I think that he can do that and still be trusted to do his job. I think he may have gone a little too far there for my own personal taste, but I also don't think that is child abuse either.

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    Re: Is this family court judge unfit?

    Using a belt and swinging it with the force that he was using is overboard. I'm fine with spanking and whatnot, but swinging a belt as hard as possible to inflict pain on your child for over 7 straight minutes is definitely child abuse in my opinion.

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    Re: Is this family court judge unfit?

    Frankly, I'm shocked that anyone is ok with what went on in that video, even though I should really know better.
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    Re: Is this family court judge unfit?

    He might of seemed a little over the top but in todays day and age when poor behavior is ignored by parents it is kinda nice to see a parent correct a child as opposed to ignoring it and flipping through the channels.
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