RHP Brad Boxberger
LHP Tony Cingrani
RHP Drew Cisco
UT Todd Frazier
UT Brodie Greene
SS Didi Gregorius
LHP Ismael Guillon
OF Ryan LaMarre
RHP Kyle Lotzkar
2B Henry Rodriguez
OF Yorman Rodriguez
3B Gabriel Rosa
OF Dave Sappelt
1B Neftali Soto
2B Ron Torreyes
other (please list below)
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All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
Regardless, I think the chances of Sappelt/Frazier helping the Reds are at least a little better than Box being the next Reds closer.
Agree where Sappelt is concerned its why I have him at number 4. Frazier can contribute, but the value is a lot more limited. Its not just the Reds who paid 8 figures for a closer.
Even as a set-up man or a decent middle reliever Boxberger would cost more to replace than a utility player. Even the cost conscious teams like the A's paid middle relievers $4 and $5 Million per year which is more than what a utility player should get.
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
I think we can agree that Frazier can be a good backup. I'm just not convinced that more is out of the question.
Yes, the Reds aren't the only team that paid a premium price for the label of 'closer'. And, yes, some middle relievers get paid alot too. Are we 100% sure that Box will fill either role for the Reds though? I'm not.
I'm hopeful for Frazier, and he'd be on my 25 man roster to open 2012 barring other moves, but the fact is he's likely to hit like a MI with a bit of occassional power added while playing defense like a corner player. He's not more certain of being valuable than Boxberger IMO.
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
Frazier looks like he could be a good 3rd baseman for 1/2 the season (since Rolen will miss time) and possibly be the eventual replacement. To me IF that happens that would be worth more than the ceiling for Box. Granted, alot of that will depend on how much someone values a closer. But, we also already know that Frazier can be a backup. Right now, we're still hoping that Box can make the transition to the bigs to at least fill a supporting role.
Brad Boxberger does not currently have the required control to either be a setup man or closer for the Reds. I think once he gets some more experience at AAA he will be ready but at the moment, he does not have necessary control.
2 years to be exact... and one was terrible.
He showed great improvement last season, but he also developed a scary trend (as a potential GABP RP) of becoming more of a flyball pitcher than he was in the previous season... 1.57 GO/AO in 2010 to 1.14 in 2011...
And the difference in K/BB in 2011 @ Carolina vs Lou?
4.39 vs. 2.4
I don't get the love.
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Kris Bryant
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Rick Hague
Not quite. Half of a season was terrible. And I think we can wipe that one away given that it was his first real taste in the bullpen full time and he clearly showed he adjusted much better this year to being a bullpen arm.
There is a problem in using GO/AO comparisons.... it only accounts for balls turned into outs.
In 2010, Boxberger had a GB rate of 47%. In 2011, it was 52%. So he went from a guy who was getting a slightly above average rate of grounders to a guy who was well above average at getting grounders.
The walk rate is an issue that has been addressed some as a concern for most of us. It is probably the reason that most guys have him outside of their top 10 (I know it is one of the reasons he is outside of my top 10). But there is plenty to like about him. He has a 91-94 MPH rising fastball that touches 95-97, a high 80's slider and outstanding strikeout numbers. He also throws a change up.
Good point on GO/AO... You're 100% correct.
And I'm not trying to completely dog the guy... It's just the fact that if I'm voting (and defending like others in these threads) a RP prospect over some of the offensive talent left on the board, he better have VERY few flaws if any... And Boxberger isn't that guy...
He's got a solid arsenal, but as a reliever I find it impossible to place him in front of Soto/Rodriguez/Sappelt/& possibly even Rosa...
2010 Mock Draft Selections (picking for Rays)
Bryce Brentz
Brandon Workman
Kris Bryant
Matt Lipka
Rick Hague
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2010 Mock Draft Selections (picking for Rays)
Bryce Brentz
Brandon Workman
Kris Bryant
Matt Lipka
Rick Hague
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