I think the reason your comparison is so offensive and pointless is that one of the "problems" involved improper benefits and one of the "problems" involved the rape of a young child. I wouldn't actually consider the later "a problem" so much as a tragedy or abomination that needs to be stopped at any cost.
No, I don't think Paterno is proud of how he handled things. But that's a guess since who knows how his brain works anymore.
But, again, my point is we live in a gray world. Yet everyone continues to view it as black and white. And a lot of you who knows this are still treating this as black or white and you all are better than that.
"I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum... and I'm all out of bubble gum."
- - Rowdy Roddy Piper
"It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong. I am not a big man"
- - Fletch
First, you are correct and I apologize. I was doing quickly since I wrote a book and didn't look up correct wording. But its important to remember that Paterno claims the G.A. never stated having sex. Trivial maybe but I could get that torn through on cross.
Second, I think you are right on investigation and I was trying to show that. But the police can only go so far on a non-witness claim.
Think about it like this: Your neighbor is a wife beater. You know this. Everyone on your block knows this. One day guy who cuts your grass comes to you and says they saw neighbor punch his wife. You tell contractor he has to go to police. Contractor says he does not want to get involved. You decide that you have to do something. You go to police and tell police that its a well known secret that neighbor is domestic abuser and that an independent contractor who works for you witnessed abuse. However, Independent Contractor and abuse victim will not cooperate. What are the police to do? And if police cannot proceed further have you done all you could do? Neighbor is domestic abuser - they, like pedophiles - don't ever stop. So, what more can you do?
I think I have been clear - Joe Paterno needed to follow up. He needed to got to Superiors again, to campus police, to State College Police. But there is still only so much he can force police to do without that witness.
I guess I am just saying everyone is condemning Paterno way more than I am comfortable condemning him. He done did wrong. No argument. But he's not the devil. That's Sandusky
"I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum... and I'm all out of bubble gum."
- - Rowdy Roddy Piper
"It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong. I am not a big man"
- - Fletch
Joe Paterno: "I wish I had done more"
Now I am with you guys because now its black and white. No alternate story, no differing facts.
I hope people realize my problem was everyone is so quick to condemn without letting facts develop. Its a gray world. I am involved in a case where I heard the facts and I was so taken aback and outraged I took the case. Now it turns out none of the facts are correct. Whoops. Gray world.
"I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum... and I'm all out of bubble gum."
- - Rowdy Roddy Piper
"It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong. I am not a big man"
- - Fletch
I think the conversation to break down isn't the one that should have happened with the police, but the one with the GA. The excuse that he didn't give all the details is an indictment in itself. The conversation that should have happened is one where Paterno pushes the GA for details and tries to get as much information as he can. If the GA was so shaken up by it, Paterno should have been there for GA and gone to the police together. Then all of a sudden, the police DO have someone who witnessed it.
If Paterno didn't try to find out exactly what happened from the GA, then to me that speaks volumes as to where his priorities were.
Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David
The biggest problem Paterno has is being a part of a clear coverup. That's conspiracy and requires consequences, the least of which is loss of job. Conspiracy has legal consequences as well, all rooted in moral responsibilities of those involved when crimes are committed.
I am a Finance Director at a mental health facility. If one of the agency's volunteers was doing a little boy in our shower, I reported it to our Executive Director, and if he did not do everything in his power to pursue prosecution of this volunteer, whether or not I actually witnessed it, I would not only be resigning, I would be going to our Board of Directors, the County MH Board, the State Board, anyone that would listen to make sure that this boy got justice.
How anyone can excuse Paterno from that responsibility is disappointing.
Last edited by traderumor; 11-09-2011 at 01:06 PM.
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I'm trying to understand why Paterno being forced out is a bigger story than finding out how many kids were abused, and the case against Sandusky.
Yes, Paterno should go. But it's pretty sad that's the main story in all of this.
This is the worst scandal in the history of college football. And it's not even close.
Shouldn't society be looking itself in the mirror? We build these guys up as heroes time and again, and this is what we get. Maybe if we didn't put college football on a religious-like level, these problems would diminish.
The institution was put ahead of the young boys. And these ignorant people rioting in support of Paterno and the university makes me sick.
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