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    Who is Redszone's #9 prospect?

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    Soto for his power displayed this season and his pedigree coming in. Still wish he could have stayed at 3B though.
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    Yorman Rodriguez. Still has all of the tools you want to see. He was one of three 18 year olds in the Midwest League this year and held his own. Too much upside here for anyone else to go before him.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect?

    Yorman Rodriguez. He's got a lot to improve on, but he's only 18, and he held his own in the MIDW. Not many guys his age can boast that.

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    I can't believe Sappelt is still on the board here. The guy is a major leaguer...it's just a matter of is he a starter or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    I can't believe Sappelt is still on the board here. The guy is a major leaguer...it's just a matter of is he a starter or not.
    That's kind of a significant matter isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    I can't believe Sappelt is still on the board here. The guy is a major leaguer...it's just a matter of is he a starter or not.
    I am with you.... but I am in even more shock that Yorman is here. Both would be off the board for me by this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I am with you.... but I am in even more shock that Yorman is here. Both would be off the board for me by this point.
    Yeah, I would have Yorman next on my list after Sappelt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    I can't believe Sappelt is still on the board here. The guy is a major leaguer...it's just a matter of is he a starter or not.
    I think those of us who haven't voted for Sappelt watched him play with the Reds last year. Didn't play like a top ten prospect.

    Yorman Rodriguez, based on overall talent level, needs to be in the top ten. I've got him here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I think those of us who haven't voted for Sappelt watched him play with the Reds last year. Didn't play like a top ten prospect.

    Yorman Rodriguez, based on overall talent level, needs to be in the top ten. I've got him here.
    A lot of prospects didn't play like a Top 10 prospect in their first 20 MLB games. It happens to a lot of guys. And to be honest, he was actually pretty darn solid from about a week and a half going forward in the Majors. He just was really poor in the first 11 games. He even talked about how he was pressing and trying to do too much around that time.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    A lot of prospects didn't play like a Top 10 prospect in their first 20 MLB games. It happens to a lot of guys. And to be honest, he was actually pretty darn solid from about a week and a half going forward in the Majors. He just was really poor in the first 11 games. He even talked about how he was pressing and trying to do too much around that time.
    Based on Sappelt's entire record, I think the lack of power and lack of patience are legitimate concerns.

    And the lack of arm strength seems equally legitimate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Based on Sappelt's entire record, I think the lack of power and lack of patience are legitimate concerns.

    And the lack of arm strength seems equally legitimate.
    I think people confuse lack of patience with a lack of walks, but they aren't always the same things. Sappelt gets the strikezone. He swings at strikes. He often hits them too, which is why the walk rates are on the lower end. Guys with high contact rates don't often walk much because they don't get deeper into counts because when they swing, they hit the ball.

    As for the power, I guess it depends on what you expect. I think he can be a 35 double/15 HR guy. That is plenty when given the rest of his game.

    The arm is a tad bit of an issue, but he isn't Johnny Damon out there either.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Based on Sappelt's entire record, I think the lack of power and lack of patience are legitimate concerns.

    And the lack of arm strength seems equally legitimate.
    Sappelt has a .459 slugging % in nearly 1800 minor league PAs. That includes .464 at AAA (451 PAs) and .548 at AA (372 PAs). Its not like he was beating up on low level guys that he was more advanced than. He won't be a 20 HR guy, but he has plenty of extra base power for a CF type. He also has great range in CF and hits with a lot of contact ability. His minor league line is .309/.362/.459/.821. I don't see the issues with his power or his defense. His arm is a little weak, but he won't be playing in RF. If he gets to the ball quickly, it makes up for a lot of other issues where arm strength is concerned.

    I like him a whole lot and have him at number 4 on my list. If I thought he would quit trying to steal bases (where I think he'll get himself out too often), I'd have him higher.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I think those of us who haven't voted for Sappelt watched him play with the Reds last year. Didn't play like a top ten prospect.

    Yorman Rodriguez, based on overall talent level, needs to be in the top ten. I've got him here.
    Small sample size? I bet you could look at numbers over history shown by some of the greats where over their first few professional ABs, they've done poorly but gone on to have great careers.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    Small sample size? I bet you could look at numbers over history shown by some of the greats where over their first few professional ABs, they've done poorly but gone on to have great careers.
    I've written a detailed explanation for my position on Sappelt, which I won't repeat. It's in this thread.

    Odd, though, that Yonder has been proclaimed a future hitting star by virtue of his small sample. Yet Sappelt's small sample appears to be irrelevant.

    Focusing on Yorman for a moment, the guy is only 19 yet he had a .361 OBP at Billings and did reasonably ok at Dayton given his age. While his OPS at Dayton was only .711, he did hit 7 homers. His power wasn't there at Billings, but showed up at Dayton. Leads me to believe that it will emerge as time goes on.

    Again, Yorman only turned 19 this past August. He's way ahead of the game.
    Last edited by Kc61; 11-07-2011 at 03:28 PM.


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