LHP Tony Cingrani
RHP Drew Cisco
UT Todd Frazier
UT Brodie Greene
SS Didi Gregorius
LHP Ismael Guillon
OF Ryan LaMarre
RHP Kyle Lotzkar
2B Henry Rodriguez
OF Yorman Rodriguez
3B Gabriel Rosa
OF Dave Sappelt
1B Neftali Soto
2B Ron Torreyes
other (please list below)
No question, Yorman is still very young and has time to mature and get his act together. We're all hoping he does. That said, and without full knowledge of the circumstances, he has issues that most 18-year-old professional ballplayers simply don't. You don't see many guys missing in action as he has been, and you don't hear of many having their attitude questioned as much by scouts and seasoned observers. If makeup were a tool, it appears that Yorman's would grade-out very low at this point. That doesn't disqualify him as a prospect, but it certainly enters into the mix for an exercise like this.
Torreyes for his production and superb defense at a critical position. Then Soto, Sappelt, and Y-Rod.
Really, though, most of the guys from Cozart through Y-Rod are incredibly close. Kudos to our farm system.
Also, petition to add Juan Duran in the next poll as well?
As for not hearing guys attitude questioned so much.... well, I think this can really be two fold. First, there simply aren't many 18 year olds to compare him to at the levels he has been at. I didn't read anything from the Billings papers last year about any attitude issues. Not once. We never heard about it from Baseball America or Baseball Prospectus or any other evaluation service. Secondly, we are in a day and age where information is much more freely available, even compared to 5 years ago. The Reds haven't had a prospect the age of Yorman in full season ball (aside from Ronald Torreyes) since at least back to 1995, when I stopped looking. The point is, we simply don't have much of a baseline comparison at all to work with here as far as "well we heard about it" because we have one example to compare it to in the last 15+ years and it was a guy who also happened to there at the same time. When we toss in the circumstances that I brought up in my earlier post, I think it is just a bit much to jump onto those "attitude" issues that he apparently has, at least to the point where he is being dinged by them at age 18. If we are still hearing about it in 4-5 years, it is an issue.
It looks like we are going to end up with our first run off vote. The polls run for 3 days at a time right?
"When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"
And entitlement as we know usually adds up to a guy not putting in the work he needs to reach his full potential.
Last edited by Mario-Rijo; 11-08-2011 at 06:42 PM.
"You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one."
As for turning away a kid for an autograph.... that doesn't tell me anything about the guy on the field. At all.
Again, I just feel that some are making a much larger deal about this than is needed.
Does the fact that he was playing in Dayton really have much to do with it? Is it harder to play with a good attitude in Dayton than it is in, say, the AZL, where there are a lot of 18-year-olds?
You make good points, and there's certainly something to be said for giving him the benefit of the doubt. But if a guy is to be considered a top prospect, it's pretty important that he goes about his business the right way. We simply haven't seen that yet from Yorman. Some guys have latent power that shows up after a couple years. Maybe Yorman has some latent makeup.
Last edited by mace; 11-08-2011 at 07:11 PM.
Unless Rodriguez or Soto breaks away, we'll likely do the runoff tomorrow.
Of course you do Doug you think that for every prospect you like. Which is fine if you really see them that way you have earned the right to make your argument and it have some merit. But you obviously don't know any better than anyone else because all you have layed out is conjecture yourself. No facts to back up your argument that this particular player is acting less professional than any other person for their age. So let people have their opinion and we will let you have yours.