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    I really hope we don't trade Johnny Cueto. Finally began to show me last year that he's going to be a good solid TOR starter type for the next few years. We are all in next year. He's a guy you need to get through one of those playoff series we're going to be in about 11 months from now. If Chapman can help him at the TOR, lookout world.
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    Re: Reds Hot Stove Rumors

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghosts of 1990 View Post
    I really hope we don't trade Johnny Cueto. Finally began to show me last year that he's going to be a good solid TOR starter type for the next few years. We are all in next year. He's a guy you need to get through one of those playoff series we're going to be in about 11 months from now. If Chapman can help him at the TOR, lookout world.
    What about Cueto suggests he can be a TOR guy? His declining strikeout rate certainly doesn't. He isn't an elite control guy either.

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    I thought I was the only person who thought this as soon as I saw the rumors. I'm a huge fan of Cueto but, he had a few injuries last year, his k/9 rate dropped for the 3rd straight season, his hr/fb took a dramtic dip, xFip 3.90, and his gb/fb rose. I'm thinking if you can receive #1 SP like return for Cueto, then you take it. 2011 might be the best of his career if his much improved rate stats go back to pre 2011 levels.

    To wrap: I would entertain the idea in a vaccuum, but without knowing what compensation or additional moves will follow its tough to say if I'm for trading him.
    You have to think that the vast majority of general managers are gonna take into account everything you just said. There may be a few old school dudes out there, but I would imagine Cueto's value is still that of a #2-#3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superdude View Post
    You have to think that the vast majority of general managers are gonna take into account everything you just said. There may be a few old school dudes out there, but I would imagine Cueto's value is still that of a #2-#3.
    I'm not too familiar with the Yankees farm system, but offering anyone other than Montero leads to believe they might have an opinion higher than others.

    Also demand creates price and if he moves, Cueto could be the best SP on the market after CJ Wilson signs. Yankees/RSox or whoever under pressure to win in 2012 could go a little overboard come Feb/Mar.

    EDIT: I completely agree with what you said by the way.
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    I'm not too familiar with the Yankees farm system, but offering anyone other than Montero leads to believe they might have an opinion higher than others.
    The Yankees, from what I have read, have a farm system that is in the top 5 in baseball. I know they have at least 6 top 100 players. Montero is their crown jewel but if they are offering any of those other top players in their system, it might be worth listening to.
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    Rumor has it the Yankees called the Reds about Cueto, Yankees said only Montero and Banueles were out of question
    HAHAHAHAHA *click* that would be my response to the Yanks.
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    I think we should trade Cueto and Votto. Trading your best pitcher and best hitter who are both in their mid 20's seems like a good plan to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    I think we should trade Cueto and Votto. Trading your best pitcher and best hitter who are both in their mid 20's seems like a good plan to me.
    Trading the best hitter that by most accounts will only wear the uniform for another 2 years and the best pitcher who has flaws in his game (and I am for trading him only if the return is equivalent to that of a #1SP would be), is completely acceptable as long as there is a clear goal and the overall team improves. Wins are wins.
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    I'd be worried if the Reds traded Cueto simply because the staff is already bad and that would probably make the staff worse unless a pitcher was coming back. With that said, and I do like Cueto a lot, I think his 2011 was overrated to some extent.

    That Shields for Alonso and Volquez deal though? I'll drive them both to Tampa to get that done.

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    Would the Yankees give up Brett Gardner?
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    Would the Yankees give up Brett Gardner?
    That's the target right there. Reds have had interest in Gardner in the past.

    Really surprised if the Reds are willing to deal Cueto. I tend to think they'd have to be overwhelmed.
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    I don't see a match with the Yankees at all. Where would Montero play on this team? Beyond Montero, it's a bunch of Yankees prospects, and who wants any of those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeThierry View Post
    The Yankees, from what I have read, have a farm system that is in the top 5 in baseball. I know they have at least 6 top 100 players. Montero is their crown jewel but if they are offering any of those other top players in their system, it might be worth listening to.
    An indication that this is a bad idea? A Cardinals fan thinks it's a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Would the Yankees give up Brett Gardner?
    For some package of starters/prospects not named Chapman or Cueto? Okay I'd listen but NO CHANCE if the Yanks play hard ball and want either one of them.
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    Would the Yankees give up Brett Gardner?
    Interesting idea. Solves LF and leadoff, but creates a huge hole in the rotation. I would have to assume there would be other plans in place for the rotation spot -- James Shields would be a great start, but another starter still would be needed.

    Cueto - Gardner feels a little tilted in the Yankees' favor, but I could see it as a starting point.


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