Good. I agree.A Reds source agrees that Alonso is way too much for Bailey, writes MLB.com's Mark Sheldon. Sheldon notes that starting pitching is a more pressing need for the Reds than a closer.
Good. I agree.A Reds source agrees that Alonso is way too much for Bailey, writes MLB.com's Mark Sheldon. Sheldon notes that starting pitching is a more pressing need for the Reds than a closer.
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Given what the A's have in the outfield, you have to think the conversation is about Heisey.Originally Posted by kaldaniels
I would trade Heisey for Bailey.
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I would say either Sappelt or Heisey straight up for Bailey. Anything more than that is just a pipe dream for Beane.
Agreed
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Good sinkerball pitchers would disagree. Some have made a living out of it.
They induce more ground balls. The % of ground balls being induced being "weak" is no more than a fly ball pitcher.
If pitchers could induce weak contact, they could control BABIP.
Contact is often weak if the pitch rides down and in, and is hard, much more so than that of a flyball pitcher.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/1...iley-deal.html"The A's are very willing to trade Andrew Bailey"
Given his injury history and his abbreviated track record, this scares me. I certainly wouldn't give up more than a Sappelt/Heisey type.
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I'd prefer they try to unload Stubbs for him. Seems like a reasonable exchange, given the year Stubbs had in 2010.I certainly wouldn't give up more than a Sappelt/Heisey type.
I don't think Heisey or Sappelt gets it done. Bailey's numbers, pre-injury, are elite. And you figure the TJ surgery will be something he'll bounce back from.
If they want more than Heisey or Sappelt, I'd open it up to a bigger deal- see what they'd want for Bailey and Gonzalez or Cahill. Then we could start talking about guys like Stubbs, Grandal, Corcino, etc.
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Not to derail this thread, but we have no idea whether pitchers can control their BABIP. All we know is that the BABIP of pitchers, who pitch enough innings to create meaningful data, is within a small range.
It is a logical fallacy to conclude that this data means that pitchers can't control their BABIP, there are many other logical explanations for this data.
In fact, McCracken, who was the first to notice this data, explicitly asked people not to draw conclusions like that from the data.
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Agree, in general. However, I'd pull the trigger on Stubbs for Bailey straight up.If they want more than Heisey or Sappelt, I'd open it up to a bigger deal- see what they'd want for Bailey and Gonzalez or Cahill. Then we could start talking about guys like Stubbs, Grandal, Corcino, etc.
IIRC, I believe that a higher percentage of ground balls go for hits than flyballs.
Guys like Derek Lowe who get groundballs generally don't have a history of having a lower BAPIP. Usually they will have significantly less home runs than other guys, and more DP's that help the success of a pitcher.
Me too.
I don't have much of a problem with Stubbs' offense last season, but his lack of growth as a fielder worries me greatly.
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