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    Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread

    Welcome to last year?

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    Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread

    I didn't read the article, but did he mention that getting a middle-of-the-order left fielder as the #1 priority again? I believe Jonny Gomes is a free agent, so that could work out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
    Welcome to last year?
    Not only last year. This is a perennial.

    I think I can handle the Reds doing nothing until February, when they pick up a couple of free agents nobody else would sign.

    I'm not sure I can handle the usual, "we came very close to a trade for [star player] but the other team preferred a different deal".

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    Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread

    Stay the course.
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    Why must the Reds improve via free agency?

    That isn't the only way the Reds can improve. In fact, I think its pretty much a given that the Reds will be better at shortstop and left field by default next year. Is Rolen going to be any healthier? If so, another upgraded position. Do Cueto and Bailey miss a combined 12 starts? If not, another upgrade. Is Arroyo done or was he hampered by the mono? If it was the mono, another upgrade.

    The odds are pretty good that the Reds should be better in 2012 than in 2011 if they remain the same. I know that isn't good enough for some of you, but what else can they do? The money simply isn't there to work free agency or a lot of trades that people propose the Reds make.

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    Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread

    Cespedes, please.
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    Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Cespedes, please.
    Where is that money coming from?

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    Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Why must the Reds improve via free agency?

    That isn't the only way the Reds can improve. In fact, I think its pretty much a given that the Reds will be better at shortstop and left field by default next year. Is Rolen going to be any healthier? If so, another upgraded position. Do Cueto and Bailey miss a combined 12 starts? If not, another upgrade. Is Arroyo done or was he hampered by the mono? If it was the mono, another upgrade.

    The odds are pretty good that the Reds should be better in 2012 than in 2011 if they remain the same. I know that isn't good enough for some of you, but what else can they do? The money simply isn't there to work free agency or a lot of trades that people propose the Reds make.
    They can also make trades, something Jocketty has already said he plans on attempting.

    With a ton of AAA/cheap mlb players that could start, Jocketty has enough chips to make a splash, whether it be through player development, trades, or both.

    I'm guessing Jocketty deals for at least one "upgrade" in the starting rotation and starts a couple rookies, perhaps three offensively.
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    Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    They can also make trades, something Jocketty has already said he plans on attempting.

    With a ton of AAA/cheap mlb players that could start, Jocketty has enough chips to make a splash, whether it be through player development, trades, or both.

    I'm guessing Jocketty deals for at least one "upgrade" in the starting rotation and starts a couple rookies, perhaps three offensively.
    He's been "close" for a couple of years getting that trade done...

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    Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread

    Meanwhile, the Cardinals will re-sign Pujols and Berkman, and prepare to defend their title in strong fashion.
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    Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    They can also make trades, something Jocketty has already said he plans on attempting.

    With a ton of AAA/cheap mlb players that could start, Jocketty has enough chips to make a splash, whether it be through player development, trades, or both.

    I'm guessing Jocketty deals for at least one "upgrade" in the starting rotation and starts a couple rookies, perhaps three offensively.
    Still have to be able to pay the players you trade for and the Reds don't have money to pay players that teams are going to actually trade (because teams don't trade cheap players who are good). So, how do you make those deals work out without taking on a very risky player in a deal or drastically over paying in your talent to get them to take on some salary of a player, who likely has some warts along with him or the other team wouldn't be trading him in the offseason?

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    Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread

    My personal opinion is that you overpay a little because you're fairly close to being a playoff team. Dealing an extra B prospect for a cheaper player that can help this season-- all the while hoping that your other prospects pan out in the future-- seems to make the most sense here.
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    Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread

    Where is that money coming from?
    Some reports have Cespedes getting Chapman money. Reds can easily do that kind of contract again. And depending what they want to do with Phillips and Votto, they can possibly go well over 30 on a multiyear deal. This is a very high ceiling RH middle of the order bat that they could lock down for several years -- where else you finding one?
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    Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread

    The one FA I'd love to see the Reds sign this winter is Rick Ankiel. I think he'd make a great 4-5th outfielder. Some pop in the bat, and can play all three OF spots. And almost certainly wouldn't cost a lot.

    Also, at this point, if they can re-sign Cordero for $5mil, they should do it. And offer Hernandez arbitration.
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