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    Problem is, he can't talk to anyone about where he would have been drafted. (He could talk to NBA GMs, but they're a little budy right now.)

    The NCAA really screwed the kids with this decision.
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    Re: 2011-2012 Buckeyes Basketball

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Problem is, he can't talk to anyone about where he would have been drafted. (He could talk to NBA GMs, but they're a little budy right now.)

    The NCAA really screwed the kids with this decision.
    Is that true? I thought there was some type of draft evalution that they can file to get an idea of where they might go.

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    Re: 2011-2012 Buckeyes Basketball

    Not anymore.
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    Re: 2011-2012 Buckeyes Basketball

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Problem is, he can't talk to anyone about where he would have been drafted. (He could talk to NBA GMs, but they're a little budy right now.)

    The NCAA really screwed the kids with this decision.
    Quite frankly I think the more a kid listens to his coach the better. If your have a good head coach he should be able to tell you whether or not to leave.

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    But most coaches want what's best for their team and their pocketbook.

    What's to stop a coach from convincing his 19-year-old star to come back for the good of the team and his education?

    I'm not trying to imply anything here, but did Harrison Barnes or John Henson really help their draft status by staying in school an extra year? (Don't get me wrong-- I'm tickled they did.) I don't know if Williams is the type to put the fear of God into his players (I don't think he is), but I could see how a kid could do exactly what his coach wanted. And coaches aren't all that trustworthy, in my experience. Especially when it comes to kids and their teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Not anymore.
    That's not true. There's still an NBA advisory committee that gives you an evaluation.

    I'm 100% certain of that.

    Just for corroboration, here's an article where Tony Wroten talks about receiving feedback before he declared:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/sto...ares-nba-draft

    Here's another report about C.J. Leslie:

    http://packinsider.com/2012/04/lesli...ory-committee/

    Here's one about three Mississippi players filing for an evaluation:

    http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pb...ttee-paperwork
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    That's not true. There's still an NBA advisory committee that gives you an evaluation.

    I'm 100% certain of that.
    From today's ESPN article:
    Since the NCAA bars third parties (even family members) of college players from reaching out to NBA teams to discuss their draft stock and the NBA itself has strict no-contact rules regarding the way teams can communicate with players who are not officially draft-eligible (before the early-entry list is released in early May), the only way an underclassman can gather information about his draft stock is through his college head coach. Furthermore, the head coach is only allowed to talk with the principal basketball operations executive from each team (ie: the general manager), according to NBA rules, and the underclassman may not participate in or be present during any such conversation.
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    Re: 2011-2012 Buckeyes Basketball

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    From today's ESPN article:
    That article is wrong. Absolutely wrong. Trust me on this. Look at the links I provided. You can't speak directly with the NBA people, but you can still file for the evaluations. The advisory panel still exists. Again... read those links I provided. There are at least three examples of players that have said they got feedback from the NBA advisory panel. I know a parent that just went through the process. The panel is still a part of the process.

    The NBA advisory panel collects the consensus draft projections from the teams and the players file for an evaluation and have the info shared with them.
    Last edited by Brutus; 04-10-2012 at 07:53 PM.
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    Re: 2011-2012 Buckeyes Basketball

    Here's a fourth player, Mike Moser, that said he talked to the NBA advisory panel...

    http://www.lvrj.com/sports/unlv-s-mo...145705415.html

    Here's a fifth player, Terrence Ross...

    http://www.gohuskies.com/sports/m-ba...040212aaa.html

    B.J. Young...

    http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...arkansas-young

    John Jenkins...

    http://www.gallatinnews.com/sports/4...nter-nba-draft

    Meyers Leonard...

    http://btn.com/2012/04/02/dienhart-i...ter-nba-draft/
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    Re: 2011-2012 Buckeyes Basketball

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    But most coaches want what's best for their team and their pocketbook.

    What's to stop a coach from convincing his 19-year-old star to come back for the good of the team and his education?

    I'm not trying to imply anything here, but did Harrison Barnes or John Henson really help their draft status by staying in school an extra year? (Don't get me wrong-- I'm tickled they did.) I don't know if Williams is the type to put the fear of God into his players (I don't think he is), but I could see how a kid could do exactly what his coach wanted. And coaches aren't all that trustworthy, in my experience. Especially when it comes to kids and their teams.
    I'm guessing the impending lockout had more to do with Barnes and Henson coming back rather than Roy talking them into it.

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    I'm not saying Roy talked them into anything.

    I just don't think its wise to trust someone who stands to make millions off of your possible return to their team.
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    Ugh, one time I really hate being right. Sullinger really should have gone last year. Now he's not even invited to the draft.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/sto...-invited-draft
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    Re: 2011-2012 Buckeyes Basketball

    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    Ugh, one time I really hate being right. Sullinger really should have gone last year. Now he's not even invited to the draft.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/sto...-invited-draft
    That is unfortunate, but all this means is a good team is getting a really good player instead of a bad team getting a really good player. Hopefully he can stay healthy.

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    Re: 2011-2012 Buckeyes Basketball

    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    Ugh, one time I really hate being right. Sullinger really should have gone last year. Now he's not even invited to the draft.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/sto...-invited-draft
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    Sullinger will have a more productive career than at least half of the players drafted ahead of him.


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