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    Kershaw is the winner of NL Cy Young Award

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    Re: Kershaw is the winner of NL Cy Young Award

    Im stunned.

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    Johnny Cueto got one 5th place vote, and finished tied for 10th w/ Grienke and Kimbrel.
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    Re: Kershaw is the winner of NL Cy Young Award

    Quote Originally Posted by mattfeet View Post
    Im stunned.
    Why, 1-2-3 was pretty obvious, and the voters saw it that way.

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    Re: Kershaw is the winner of NL Cy Young Award

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Why, 1-2-3 was pretty obvious, and the voters saw it that way.
    1-2-3 was pretty obvious, but not in that order. Any attempt to control for the contributions of environment and/or his team's defensive contributions quickly puts Halladay in the lead (this is true in both Fangraph's FIP based approach and Baseball-References Runs Allowed based-approach). That said, it's all close enough between those 3 to say that any of them were deserving.
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    Re: Kershaw is the winner of NL Cy Young Award

    Man, Chad Reineke waz robbbed!

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    Re: Kershaw is the winner of NL Cy Young Award

    Quote Originally Posted by VR View Post
    Johnny Cueto got one 5th place vote, and finished tied for 10th w/ Grienke and Kimbrel.
    Where are you seeing this?
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    Re: Kershaw is the winner of NL Cy Young Award

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    Where are you seeing this?
    a random google search, don't recall the actual site
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    Re: Kershaw is the winner of NL Cy Young Award

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    1-2-3 was pretty obvious, but not in that order. Any attempt to control for the contributions of environment and/or his team's defensive contributions quickly puts Halladay in the lead (this is true in both Fangraph's FIP based approach and Baseball-References Runs Allowed based-approach). That said, it's all close enough between those 3 to say that any of them were deserving.
    I agree all were deserving, thats's why I was surprised that anyone would be "stunned" with the result. Holliday edged out Kershaw in FIP. Kershaw's 20 win season ensured he would win. That's what the voters have usually look for amoung decent candidates. Like it or not, a pitcher who leads the league in wins, K's and ERA is not going to lose the CYA.

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    Re: Kershaw is the winner of NL Cy Young Award

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Why, 1-2-3 was pretty obvious, and the voters saw it that way.
    I was being facetious.

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    Re: Kershaw is the winner of NL Cy Young Award

    Code:
    Clayton Kershaw 	Dodgers 	       207
    Roy Halladay 	        Phillies 	       133
    Cliff Lee 	        Phillies 	  	90
    Ian Kennedy 	        D-backs 		76
    Cole Hamels 	        Phillies 	  	17
    Tim Lincecum 	        Giants 	     	         7
    Yovani Gallardo         Brewers 	  	 5
    Matt Cain 	        Giants 	  	  	 3
    John Axford 	        Brewers 	         2
    Craig Kimbrel 	        Braves 	  	         2
    Madison Bumgarner 	Giants 	  	         1
    Ryan Vogelsong 	        Giants 	  	         1
    I've seen this list everywhere and I haven't seen Cueto anywhere on any of them. I'd love to be wrong though. I think he deserved a mention at least.
    2014 predictions:
    99-63 WS champs (Cards take 2nd WC, Mil 3rd, Pit 4th, Chi 5th)
    Bruce/Votto neck and neck MVP race (neither takes it)
    Bailey CYA winner
    Hamilton ROY & GG

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    Re: Kershaw is the winner of NL Cy Young Award

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    Code:
    Clayton Kershaw     Dodgers            207
    Roy Halladay             Phillies            133
    Cliff Lee             Phillies           90
    Ian Kennedy             D-backs         76
    Cole Hamels             Phillies           17
    Tim Lincecum             Giants                       7
    Yovani Gallardo         Brewers            5
    Matt Cain             Giants                  3
    John Axford             Brewers              2
    Craig Kimbrel             Braves                    2
    Madison Bumgarner     Giants                    1
    Ryan Vogelsong             Giants                    1
    I've seen this list everywhere and I haven't seen Cueto anywhere on any of them. I'd love to be wrong though. I think he deserved a mention at least.
    He missed too much of the season to get noticed. If he can stay healthy all season he will be in the running in the near future.
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    Re: Kershaw is the winner of NL Cy Young Award

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    Code:
    Clayton Kershaw 	Dodgers 	       207
    Roy Halladay 	        Phillies 	       133
    Cliff Lee 	        Phillies 	  	90
    Ian Kennedy 	        D-backs 		76
    Cole Hamels 	        Phillies 	  	17
    Tim Lincecum 	        Giants 	     	         7
    Yovani Gallardo         Brewers 	  	 5
    Matt Cain 	        Giants 	  	  	 3
    John Axford 	        Brewers 	         2
    Craig Kimbrel 	        Braves 	  	         2
    Madison Bumgarner 	Giants 	  	         1
    Ryan Vogelsong 	        Giants 	  	         1
    I've seen this list everywhere and I haven't seen Cueto anywhere on any of them. I'd love to be wrong though. I think he deserved a mention at least.
    The Giants sure did have a darn good starting 4.

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    Re: Kershaw is the winner of NL Cy Young Award

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    I've seen this list everywhere and I haven't seen Cueto anywhere on any of them. I'd love to be wrong though. I think he deserved a mention at least.
    My apologies SC, I pulled up a searched site for Cy Young....didn't catch that is was just a random fan site voting.

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    Re: Kershaw is the winner of NL Cy Young Award

    No biggie bud. It just got me curious is all.
    2014 predictions:
    99-63 WS champs (Cards take 2nd WC, Mil 3rd, Pit 4th, Chi 5th)
    Bruce/Votto neck and neck MVP race (neither takes it)
    Bailey CYA winner
    Hamilton ROY & GG


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