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    Re: Reds purchase the contract of six

    Quote Originally Posted by cinreds21 View Post
    Didi told me he wasn't eligible for the Rule V Draft this year. I still don't know how he was. He didn't sign until late 2007? Oh well. Surprised that Ravin was left off for sure and still kinda surprised that Webb wasn't added and Villarreal was.
    I wonder if the new CBA has some rules in it that make a change that tell why Didi was added? It is the only reason I can think of. The Reds have told John Fay that all of the players WERE eligible, so there must have been some rule that we didn't know about.

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    Re: Reds purchase the contract of six

    Webb surprises me more than Ravin. Seems like he's much closer and more likely to be selected. Maybe he hurt his stock in the AFL.

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    Webb surprises me more than Ravin. Seems like he's much closer and more likely to be selected. Maybe he hurt his stock in the AFL.
    Disagree. If you solely look at the numbers, sure. But when you look at the stuff and the ability of each when they are on top of their game, it isn't even close.

    Another guy I wouldn't be surprised by if he were taken away would be Scott Carroll. His numbers weren't good in AAA this year, but prior to this year his numbers have been good. He has a sinker in the 88-92 range and has touched 95 as a starter. Toss him in the bullpen and his velocity could go up a tad and let him concentrate on one breaking ball (he throws two currently as a starter) and he could be something of value to a team this season.

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    Re: Reds purchase the contract of six

    Quote Originally Posted by mace View Post
    Webb surprises me more than Ravin. Seems like he's much closer and more likely to be selected. Maybe he hurt his stock in the AFL.
    Someone I know from another organization will likely recommend that they take Webb.

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    And Doug, Gregorius' case still baffles me. It may be the new CBA. Because he didn't sign until late 2007 (after the season) and played his first season in 2008 at 18-years-old. I have sent an e-mail and find out why he was added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinreds21 View Post
    And Doug, Gregorius' case still baffles me. It may be the new CBA. Because he didn't sign until late 2007 (after the season) and played his first season in 2008 at 18-years-old. I have sent an e-mail and find out why he was added.
    I wonder if it's one of those weird rules where since he signed while a season was still going on with more than two weeks left, that he qualified? I don't really know what it could be. He signed August 6th, 2007 at age 17. I am with you, the rules right now, as far as we know, suggest he shouldn't have been eligible.

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    All things being equal --seems like you would protect a pitcher way before you protected a position player.

    I don't have much faith in Webb.

    I can't find stats--wasn't Villareal's BABIP high?

    I think there are a number of reasons rule 5 guys do not get picked as often as they used to:

    1. more specialization in terms of bullpen use.

    2. more innnings spread out over the whole of the bullpen.

    3. No one can afford to carry a position player cause they need 13 pitchers on staff...or 14 ...or 15.

    Heck, i think you could expose a position player and be pretty certain that no team would take him based on their being no roster spots open to carry a position player.

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    Re: Reds purchase the contract of six

    Quote Originally Posted by Cooper View Post
    I don't have much faith in Webb.
    Just curious, why?

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    Re: Reds purchase the contract of six

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I wonder if it's one of those weird rules where since he signed while a season was still going on with more than two weeks left, that he qualified? I don't really know what it could be. He signed August 6th, 2007 at age 17. I am with you, the rules right now, as far as we know, suggest he shouldn't have been eligible.
    He should be eligible. If he signed Aug. 6, 2007, then this would be his 5th Rule 5 draft. That means he's eligible.

    Here is the way the rule reads from the MLR 5(c)(1)(A):

    (A)if 18 years of age or under on the June 5 immediately preceding the player's signing, the player shall be subject to selection at the fifth Rule 5 Selection Meeting that follows the signing date of the player's first Major or Minor League contract, unless Rule 5(c)(1)(C) applies;

    (C) if the signing date of a player’s first Major or Minor League contract is between

    (i) the conclusion of the championship season for the Major or Minor League Club to which the player is assigned on such contract and
    (ii) the next Rule 5 Selection Meeting,
    So on June 5, he was 17 years old and he signed prior to the conclusion of the season. Thereby if we count Rule 5 drafts (2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011), this would be his 5th and thus eligible.
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    Re: Reds purchase the contract of six

    Muddie - i should have a better answer than this...it just bothered me that he had to go to:

    1. go to the bullpen to turn it around.

    2. that his age is old for double AA.

    3. that it was a repeat year for double AA.

    4. in total the year was no better than the year before...he made no gains.

    why would a team be impressed by that?

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    Not sure the Reds are in much danger of losing anybody who will hurt. Danny Dorn is the guy we always name, but he's not going to play here or bring anything in trade. I hope soembody takes him and gives him a shot. Daryl Thompson might be the guy who is lost with the best chance to establish himself. He can be hidden as a long reliever and one of those rotating 5th starter types. A team like the Pirates wouldn't have much to lose trying that.
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    Doug, here is the response I got from someone within the Reds organization:

    "Gregorius is eligible because he signed during the 2007 season. While a 2008 contract would affect his free agency year, it has no bearing on his Rule V status."

    So basically what Brutus explained a few posts up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    He should be eligible. If he signed Aug. 6, 2007, then this would be his 5th Rule 5 draft. That means he's eligible.

    Here is the way the rule reads from the MLR 5(c)(1)(A):



    So on June 5, he was 17 years old and he signed prior to the conclusion of the season. Thereby if we count Rule 5 drafts (2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011), this would be his 5th and thus eligible.
    Thanks for the explanation. For some reason I thought that you had to play during the season if you were over the age of 16. No clue where that came from though.

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    Thanks for the explanation. For some reason I thought that you had to play during the season if you were over the age of 16. No clue where that came from though.
    You're not the only one. I always understood it dealt with games played to count as a full "year" or whatever.

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    Re: Reds purchase the contract of six

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Thanks for the explanation. For some reason I thought that you had to play during the season if you were over the age of 16. No clue where that came from though.
    Quote Originally Posted by cinreds21 View Post
    You're not the only one. I always understood it dealt with games played to count as a full "year" or whatever.
    You guys are correct when it comes to counting seasons as a professional (when determining whether a fourth option year applies).

    They definitely need to streamline things. That season counts toward Rule 5 eligibility and would now count toward minor league free agency, though it would not have counted toward determining fourth option-year eligibility if he had reached the majors sooner.
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