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    Re: Justin Verlander named AL MVP

    Just heard on the radio that one of the Cleveland writers left Verlander off his ballot, and the other had him 8th.
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    Re: Justin Verlander named AL MVP

    As long as Ellsbury, Granderson and Bautista can win the Cy Young, I'm fine with this
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    Re: Justin Verlander named AL MVP

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    Re: Justin Verlander named AL MVP

    I know some say pitchers only pitch every fifth day and shouldn't win the MVP....

    But if we are quantifying things, how many pitches is a starting pitcher involved in a year versus say a first baseman? Point being, despite only playing every 5 games, when a pitcher is on the mound he has a greater effect on the game than anyone else on the field. To what extent is certainly debatable.

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    Re: Justin Verlander named AL MVP

    David Robertson got an MVP vote, Michael Young got a 1st place vote.
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    Re: Justin Verlander named AL MVP

    I have no problem with Verlander winning it at all. In my opinion, he deserved it...regardless if the pitchers have the Cy Young or not.

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    Re: Justin Verlander named AL MVP

    Not a problem at all with it.
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    Re: Justin Verlander named AL MVP

    I don't have a problem with a pitcher winning the MVP. But I do have a problem with Verlander winning this one. The problem is, Verlander was outstanding this year, but he wasn't Pedro 99/00 type good, nor was he Maddux 94/95 type good. Verlander wasn't clearly better than the position players on the ballot, so I take issue there.

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    Re: Justin Verlander named AL MVP

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I don't have a problem with a pitcher winning the MVP. But I do have a problem with Verlander winning this one. The problem is, Verlander was outstanding this year, but he wasn't Pedro 99/00 type good, nor was he Maddux 94/95 type good. Verlander wasn't clearly better than the position players on the ballot, so I take issue there.
    Not for the first time, but Doug posted almost exactly what I came here to say. I get he was the best pitcher in the AL, but there were positional players more deserving. My vote would have been Ellsbury or Bautista. I honestly didn't think it would be close.
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    Re: Justin Verlander named AL MVP

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I know some say pitchers only pitch every fifth day and shouldn't win the MVP....

    But if we are quantifying things, how many pitches is a starting pitcher involved in a year versus say a first baseman? Point being, despite only playing every 5 games, when a pitcher is on the mound he has a greater effect on the game than anyone else on the field. To what extent is certainly debatable.
    Here are a couple of quick estimates:

    A pitcher throws about 80-100 pitches every 5 games.

    A hitter faces about 15-18 pitches per game on offense, or about 75-90 pitches per week. So that's basically a push.
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    Re: Justin Verlander named AL MVP

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    Not a problem at all with it.
    I agree.
    IIRC, years ago Bill James calculated how many batters Rod Guidry faced during his epic 1978 season as compared to how many at bats Jim Rice had in that, his MVP winning season. Guidry's batters pitched to was about the same number as Rice's at bats.
    I don't think a modern closer/relief pitcher, making about 60 appearances a year, all of one inning, deserves consideration for the MVP award but I have no problem with a starting pitcher, who faces as many batters a season as a batter has at bats, being considered.
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    Re: Justin Verlander named AL MVP

    Verlander deserved this award. The guy had an awesome year.

    The last five Detroit MVP winners have all been pitchers.
    Last edited by muddie; 11-21-2011 at 05:39 PM.

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    Re: Justin Verlander named AL MVP

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    I agree.
    IIRC, years ago Bill James calculated how many batters Rod Guidry faced during his epic 1978 season as compared to how many at bats Jim Rice had in that, his MVP winning season. Guidry's batters pitched to was about the same number as Rice's at bats.
    I don't think a modern closer/relief pitcher, making about 60 appearances a year, all of one inning, deserves consideration for the MVP award but I have no problem with a starting pitcher, who faces as many batters a season as a batter has at bats, being considered.
    And what about defense?

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    Re: Justin Verlander named AL MVP

    Pedro Martinez didn't deserve the award in 1999 because he was a pitcher. In my opinion, a precedence was set when they voted Ivan Rodriguez the award based on that standard of judgement.
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