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  • RHP James Allen

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  • C Tucker Barnhart

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  • RHP Alejandro Chacin

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  • LHP Tony Cingrani

    19 30.65%
  • OF Juan Duran

    17 27.42%
  • UT Brodie Greene

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  • LHP Donnie Joseph

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  • OF Ryan LaMarre

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  • RHP Kyle Lotzkar

    2 3.23%
  • OF Denis Phipps

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  • 3B Gabriel Rosa

    3 4.84%
  • RHP J.C. Sulbaran

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  • 2B Ryan Wright

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Thread: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Ditto. 3:1 ratio and few homers in a hitters park. Will be in AA at 22 and even has some big game experience. Yeah, he's probably a back-end of the rotation guy, but I think he's got a pretty high floor.
    I think he has a ceiling of probably a good #3. He has a slightly above average fastball and a really good breaking ball. Average change up. Liked the improved control this year as well as his improved consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I think he has a ceiling of probably a good #3. He has a slightly above average fastball and a really good breaking ball. Average change up. Liked the improved control this year as well as his improved consistency.
    Which is why Cingrani makes more sense, IMO. A great fastball and quality off speed pitch means all he needs find in his minor league travels is a change up. Which the Reds tend to teach fairly well. That ceiling is much higher, IMO, than Sulburan's. Though, of course, with youth and experience on his side, I could see why you like Sulburan as well.

    Both are good choices, IMO.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Cingrani here for me. I think he's the best available at this moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Which is why Cingrani makes more sense, IMO. A great fastball and quality off speed pitch means all he needs find in his minor league travels is a change up. Which the Reds tend to teach fairly well. That ceiling is much higher, IMO, than Sulburan's. Though, of course, with youth and experience on his side, I could see why you like Sulburan as well.

    Both are good choices, IMO.
    I like both guys about the same. I have Cingrani one spot ahead of Sulbaran, which essentially means they are flippable to me.

    I guess I would go back to June though and say that the Reds clearly thought that Gabriel Rosa was much better. The scouting reports aren't any different on either guy at this point than they were in June either. Which is why I simply can't get behind placing Cingrani ahead of Rosa at this point.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    I can see that.

    At this point, there are about eight guys I could pick and be happy with.

    Incredible amount of B- or C depth in this system.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    How far do we have to go back to the point where the Reds 2nd round pick from that season wasn't a Top 15 prospect in the system?

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Late 80's?
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Duran can't play defense. It's half the game. In general, it's undervalued in these rankings.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Duran can't play defense. It's half the game. In general, it's undervalued in these rankings.
    He can't right now. But he has the tools to be able to. Despite his size, he actually is fast once he gets going. He has a very strong arm. I think he is still adjusting to his new body. With that said, it is far too early for Duran IMO.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    He can't right now. But he has the tools to be able to.
    I'm going to say the defensive projection is far from optimistic.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    He can't right now. But he has the tools to be able to. Despite his size, he actually is fast once he gets going. He has a very strong arm. I think he is still adjusting to his new body. With that said, it is far too early for Duran IMO.
    I don't know... personally I don't see him as all that different from Rosa. Young, absolute tool sheds with lots of raw power, potential for good defense, and decent speed, but low walk rate and unimpressive production so far. Rosa was struggling in rookie ball (as Duran did at that age), and while it was a shortened season, he isn't putting up the kind of numbers that a lot of guys do in that league, especially 2nd round draft picks. Meanwhile, even after falling off at the end of the season, Duran hit 16 HR and OPSed .792 in a notorious pitcher's league. I've got Duran next on the list after Cingrani, and Rosa a few spots below that.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    I'm going to say the defensive projection is far from optimistic.
    I've heard of everything from being able to stick in center field to being a true liability, even in left. He only had 10 errors last season, so it could still go either way.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Not enough info to vote for Rosa. I admittedly didn't keep up much this season, almost not at all. But if someone wants to toss up a scouting report even of a general nature I'm willing to listen. The same goes for Cingrani. I'm not overly enamored with Duran though I did think he made some decent strides this season which is always a good thing. Otherwise I'll throw my vote away on someone who has no chance of winning the poll and my pick Ryan LaMarre.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by The DARK View Post
    I don't know... personally I don't see him as all that different from Rosa. Young, absolute tool sheds with lots of raw power, potential for good defense, and decent speed, but low walk rate and unimpressive production so far. Rosa was struggling in rookie ball (as Duran did at that age), and while it was a shortened season, he isn't putting up the kind of numbers that a lot of guys do in that league, especially 2nd round draft picks. Meanwhile, even after falling off at the end of the season, Duran hit 16 HR and OPSed .792 in a notorious pitcher's league. I've got Duran next on the list after Cingrani, and Rosa a few spots below that.
    Duran needs to cut his strikeout down by about 30% to even be in the "poor at making contact range". Not saying he can't do it, but that is a giant step forward he needs to take to even get to the point where he is "not good" at a skill he must have.

    Rosa, in all of 100 at bats as a 17 year old is essentially just a bunch of scouting reports. I will trust the MLB scouts who said he was a second round talent over 100 at bats at age 17.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #16 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Duran needs to cut his strikeout down by about 30% to even be in the "poor at making contact range". Not saying he can't do it, but that is a giant step forward he needs to take to even get to the point where he is "not good" at a skill he must have.
    The strikeout numbers aren't acceptable, but again, he's still young and in a pitcher's league. Juan Francisco had similar strikeout issues at that level, and less production. And from what I can tell, most of the strikeouts came towards the end of the year, where he's playing his first full season of minor league ball. Besides, if he can begin to avoid the strikeouts (one of the main things minor league coaches try to teach), you could project his production to go up even higher. Rosa will follow on my list soon, but I'm reserving judgement on him until we know what he's really capable of doing. Nothing against his credentials, but he hasn't put up the numbers in any decent league yet, and I'd like to see what his strengths and weaknesses really are before assessing him too strongly as a prospect.
    Last edited by The DARK; 12-01-2011 at 11:59 PM.


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