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    Reds eligible for 2013 Competitive Balance Lottery picks.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...ticle_26059392


    Competitive Balance Lottery to shake up Draft
    Small-market, low-revenue teams to get chance at extra picks

    The lottery, it seems, has been designed to help small-market and lowest-revenue clubs gain more talent not just because they had a poor season. Many of the smaller-market clubs were proponents of a system with hard slotting. While that hasn't happened, this current system is designed, with this lottery a part of it, to give those clubs a competitive advantage compared to the status quo.

    Teams eligible for '13 Lottery
    Arizona D-backs Baltimore Orioles
    Cleveland Indians Kansas City Royals
    Oakland Athletics Pittsburgh Pirates
    San Diego Padres Tampa Bay Rays
    Cincinnati Reds Colorado Rockies
    Miami Marlins Milwaukee Brewers
    St. Louis Cardinals


    There is one other lottery, one for picks forfeited by teams going over their allotted bonus pools. Any team going five to 10 percent over its pool gets taxed at 75 percent and loses a first-round pick. Anyone going 10-15 percent over gets hit with a 100-percent tax and loses a first- and second-round pick. Anything over 15 percent means a 100-percent tax and loss of first-round selections in the next two Drafts.

    Any of those forfeited picks would go into a separate lottery. Any team that did not exceed its pool will be in that lottery. In this one, though, the odds are not just based on winning percentage, but on a formula of revenue and winning percentage.

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    Re: Competitive Balance Lottery to shake up Draft

    First thought-how exactly does St. Louis qualify as a small-market or low-revenue team?

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    Re: Competitive Balance Lottery to shake up Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    First thought-how exactly does St. Louis qualify as a small-market or low-revenue team?
    St. Louis isn't much bigger than Cincinnati.

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    Re: Competitive Balance Lottery to shake up Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by MattyHo4Life View Post
    St. Louis isn't much bigger than Cincinnati.
    They're just good.
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    Re: Competitive Balance Lottery to shake up Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by MattyHo4Life View Post
    St. Louis isn't much bigger than Cincinnati.
    The city might not be, but they have a much bigger market out there. They're a midmarket team bordering on large. It's really a stretch putting them in the lottery with the smaller teams.

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    Re: Competitive Balance Lottery to shake up Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    The city might not be, but they have a much bigger market out there. They're a midmarket team bordering on large. It's really a stretch putting them in the lottery with the smaller teams.
    St. Louis isn't even close to a large market team. Baltimore is probably twice the size of St. Louis. Now they are a stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyHo4Life View Post
    St. Louis isn't even close to a large market team. Baltimore is probably twice the size of St. Louis. Now they are a stretch.
    Cardinals had the 11th highest payroll in baseball last season at $109M, ahead of the Dodgers. They have always had one of the most lucrative tv/radio deals in baseball, and have always been one of the richest franchises.

    If you give the Cardinals a lottery draft pick, you might as well as give the Dodgers a draft pick.

    Beyond absurd.
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    Re: Competitive Balance Lottery to shake up Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by MattyHo4Life View Post
    St. Louis isn't even close to a large market team. Baltimore is probably twice the size of St. Louis. Now they are a stretch.
    You have to consider other variables.

    Baltimore's market base is saturated with other teams.

    Does St Louis have 4 other teams within 4 hour drive?

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    Re: Reds eligible for 2013 Competitive Balance Lottery picks.

    From what I've read, eligibility is the 10 smallest-market teams and the 10 lowest-revenue teams. Several teams are in both lists and are called crossover teams. Because of that, the final list is 13 teams.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/print.jsp?ym...nt_id=26059392

    These teams aren't eligible:

    AL East - Yankees, Red Sox, Toronto,
    NL East- Philly, Atlanta, Mets, Nationals
    AL Central - Detroit, White Sox, Twins
    NL Central - Cubs, Astros
    AL West - Texas, Angels, Mariners
    NL West - Giants, Dodgers,

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    Re: Reds eligible for 2013 Competitive Balance Lottery picks.

    Same thing I'd read, Roy.

    I guess it depends on perspective. It seems absurd on its face to allow the World Series winner into a "competitive balance" lottery. At the same time, they are one of the ten smallest MLB markets. They do not have one of the ten lowest revenue streams. But if a team can raise its stature above its market due to smarts and winning, I guess I'd rather see that rewarded than punished. Odds are, I'd say Milwaukee is in the same place... and if we're lucky, one day Cincinnati will be.
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    Re: Reds eligible for 2013 Competitive Balance Lottery picks.

    If the Cardinals are part of this lottery then they need to revamp their formula. A profitable team with a $109Mill payroll doesn't need MLB welfare.

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    Re: Reds eligible for 2013 Competitive Balance Lottery picks.

    So... wouldn't this basically be the same teams every year no matter what?
    This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos.

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    Re: Reds eligible for 2013 Competitive Balance Lottery picks.

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan View Post
    So... wouldn't this basically be the same teams every year no matter what?
    The bottom ten markets should remain pretty static. The bottom ten revenue teams could fluctuate more. Since it's an "or" qualifier, the number of teams in the lottery can differ from year to year.
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    Re: Reds eligible for 2013 Competitive Balance Lottery picks.

    Why not have two leagues - a small market league and a big market league?

    National (small market) League

    EAST
    Atlanta
    Florida
    Tampa
    Toronto
    Baltimore

    CENTRAL
    Cincinnati
    Milwaukee
    Pittsburgh
    Detroit
    Cleveland

    WEST
    Colorado
    San Diego
    Oakland
    Kansas City
    Minnesota

    American (big market) League

    EAST
    NY Yankees
    NY Mets
    Boston
    Philadelphia
    Washington

    CENTRAL
    Chi White Sox
    Chi Cubs
    St. Louis
    Houston
    Texas

    WEST
    Seattle
    LA Angels
    LA Dodgers
    San Francisco
    Arizona
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    Re: Reds eligible for 2013 Competitive Balance Lottery picks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    Why not have two leagues - a small market league and a big market league?

    National (small market) League

    EAST
    Tampa
    Toronto
    Baltimore
    Florida
    Atlanta

    CENTRAL
    Cincinnati
    Milwaukee
    Pittsburgh
    Detroit
    Cleveland


    WEST
    Oakland
    Kansas City
    Colorado
    San Diego
    Minnesota

    American (big market) League

    EAST
    NY Yankees
    NY Mets
    Boston
    Philadelphia
    Washington

    CENTRAL
    St. Louis
    Chi Cubs
    Chi White Sox
    Houston
    Texas

    WEST
    San Francisco
    LA Dodgers
    LA Angels
    Arizona
    Seattle
    I believe that has actually been discussed by MLB. I kinda like it, although I haven't really thought it through.

    Funny thing, there are almost as many contending teams in the small market league right now, as in the big market league.
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