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Thread: Who is Redszone's #17 prospect?

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #17 prospect?

    A guy who all of a sudden can get the barrel on the ball more should also be able to get the bat on the ball more, shouldn't he?
    I don't know the answer, but I don't buy the argument that similar peripherals = same skills, same approach. It could be that he's figured out what he can do with fastballs but still has the same struggles with secondary stuff. Or vice versa. It would be a great question to ask Phipps and/or those who have coached him.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #17 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    I don't know the answer, but I don't buy the argument that similar peripherals = same skills, same approach. It could be that he's figured out what he can do with fastballs but still has the same struggles with secondary stuff. Or vice versa. It would be a great question to ask Phipps and/or those who have coached him.
    While I agree that similar peripherals doesn't always = the same skills/approach, I don't buy that he learned to barrel the ball better without learning to make more contact. The two seem that they would be extremely similar. I don't think Phipps would be the one to ask, but perhaps a scout.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #17 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Is Jon Jay? Andres Torres? (starting CFs for the last 2 World Series champs) Is Josh Hamilton?

    I think the notion that you have to have a CF who runs like a deer and has a huge arm may be something of a myth. Especially in GAB, where there's a lot less room to cover. And I'll repeat that I think Stubbs looks like a better defender than he really is.
    I think your point is well taken. Teams do manage with more ordinary defenders in CF.

    But a team is likely to make that defensive sacrifice for a very good hitter. Not just a pretty good one.

    This really isn't a commentary on Phipps, who I haven't seen play. Just a general point about ranking center fielders.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #17 prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Stubbs has better defense than Phipps, easily. Phipps can play center, but he is more of a good corner guy. Stubbs is an outstanding center fielder.

    As for the bat.... I would easily take Stubbs over Phipps. Both guys have contact issues. Stubbs has more power. Stubbs has better plate discipline and strikezone understanding.

    Stubbs is not even a year older than Phipps.

    So really, the two aren't that comparable.
    We disagree about Stubbs bat I guess. Taking a lot of pitches that he should be crushing is not strike zone understanding or plate discipline. I get the impression that somebody once told him that working the count was a good thing so he leaves the bat on his shoulder until he has two strikes (and pitchers have a big advantage). He's actually got one of the more clueless approaches that I've seen in some one who isn't considered simply an all defense guy.

    I actually think Stubbs has turned out OK. Much better than I expected actually. I just don't see how he, when he was a prospect, is that much more promising than Phipps now. I don't have Phipps much above 20 on my board, but he isn't a write-off which is the impression I get from many on here.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #17 prospect?

    He's certainly not a write-off, but in years past where we'd be looking at 5th outfielder and utility ceiling players here, we've got a plethora of guys with big signing bonuses and guys that are a Sappelt-esque season away from being a top prospect. Nothing against him, but he's in a crowded system.

    As for why Stubbs got more attention, his speed has a lot more game-changing potential than Phipps, and that gets a lot of respect from scouts. When Bubba Starling was drafted by the Kansas City Royals 5th overall (the top position player), he got many comparisons to Drew Stubbs, and that got him a lot of respect despite the fact that Stubbs was having an unspectacular season. Power/High-Speed combos are valued because they're a lot harder to develop than the other tools (defense, hitting, and sometimes arm strength often improve with time, whereas speed and power often are what they are for a player).


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