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    To all the "We need to make a move" crowd

    I hope you're happy.

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    Re: To all the "We need to make a move" crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Gack View Post
    I hope you're happy.
    Absolutely

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    Re: To all the "We need to make a move" crowd

    Many facets of this trade I dislike:

    1) Votto NEEDS to sign with us or Walt looks like an idiot. It gives Joey even more leverage in negotiating and we'll end up paying him 20mill+ at the rate Joey's going on a payroll of a team in in the 80 range.

    2) We traded who everyone thought would be our next closer down the road. So essentially, we're going to have to trade for a closer or pay more than we should for a closer especially in a market where we simply can't pay much for one.

    3) I don't mind trading Alonso/Grandal in the same trade. But for Mat Latos? I love Latos, but there are absolutely huge questions about him. Not only does he pitch in the pitchers park, but in a PITCHERS DIVISION! You also have to be reminded of what happened to Jake Peavy and Chris Young after they left San Diego. I don't see Latos as a #1 starter and mixed with Cueto, we still have a couple #2's.

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    Re: To all the "We need to make a move" crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Gack View Post
    Many facets of this trade I dislike:

    1) Votto NEEDS to sign with us or Walt looks like an idiot. It gives Joey even more leverage in negotiating and we'll end up paying him 20mill+ at the rate Joey's going on a payroll of a team in in the 80 range.

    2) We traded who everyone thought would be our next closer down the road. So essentially, we're going to have to trade for a closer or pay more than we should for a closer especially in a market where we simply can't pay much for one.

    3) I don't mind trading Alonso/Grandal in the same trade. But for Mat Latos? I love Latos, but there are absolutely huge questions about him. Not only does he pitch in the pitchers park, but in a PITCHERS DIVISION! You also have to be reminded of what happened to Jake Peavy and Chris Young after they left San Diego. I don't see Latos as a #1 starter and mixed with Cueto, we still have a couple #2's.

    1. Maybe we traded Alonso because an extension for Votto could be in the works, Votto > Alonso.

    2. Aroldis Chapman, closer problem solved.

    3. Give the man a chance, like we were going to do with the rookies, I'll take my chances with Latos/Cueto at the TOR, thank you!

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    Re: To all the "We need to make a move" crowd

    Im happy. I think the'yre better this year than they were last year, and in a weaker division. I also think this points in the direction of locking Votto up, which I'm also happy about.

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    Re: To all the "We need to make a move" crowd

    I'm happy. It was a lot of POTENTIAL to give up, but #1s or # 2s are a rare commodity. Alonso was blocked at 1b. Grandal blocked by Mes (and Hannigan), Boxberger, I liked his potential but probably not next year. Volquez could rebound but probably not in Cincy. I think his attitude was not a good influence on the other young Latin players and only helps to be rid of him. Thanks Walt.

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    Re: To all the "We need to make a move" crowd

    Any trade that gets rid of Volquez makes me happy.

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    Re: To all the "We need to make a move" crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Grouse View Post
    Any trade that gets rid of Volquez makes me happy.
    I have bitterness towards Volquez and its not really his fault. Its just the fact that we gave up a DAMNED MVP tp get his sorry ass.

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    Re: To all the "We need to make a move" crowd

    I am extremely happy.

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    Re: To all the "We need to make a move" crowd

    Christmas came early this year. We sold 3 guys who were more or less trading chips + a possible reliever down the line. We get a starter who is a Red the next 4 years minimum, 24 years old, saves us money, and is TOR quality.

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    Re: To all the "We need to make a move" crowd

    Exactly "WHAT" did we give up? We know what Latos can do as he has been doing it on the major league level now for 2 years. We also know we get him for cheap and locked in till 2016 I believe. What we gave up is a pitcher who is a head case with TJ surgery in his past. We gave up a hitter with no position to play and not a very good defensive player no matter where he plays. We gave up a guy who "may" be a closer. How many available closers are there on the market this year? And we gave up a guy who "might" be a catcher in the show in a few years or maybe never.

    People need to remember that finding Grade A pitching with a proven track record is tough, to find one that is cheap and young is tougher....


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