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    Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson?

    Unless I'm missing something, it looks like the Reds will re-sign Coco at a relatively cheap rate (maybe 1-year, $5 million) or make a big splash and sign the best FA closer left on the market, Ryan Madson.

    There are other options out there like Brad Lidge, but I bet the Reds either re-sign Cordero or use the money they have left to sign Madson. One big key is whether there are other teams actively looking for a closer. How many competitors do the Reds have on the open market? It feels like a buyer's market and the Reds should end up getting a decent bargain, but I could be wrong.

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    Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson?

    You have to think Cordero is going to come back. Seems inevitable at this point.
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    Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson?

    Boston is the only other team looking for a closer (until or if someone gets injured before opening day). I'd love to see Walt get Madson, I just fear that Cordero is bound to regress due to age very soon, and when it happens, it's going to be Danny Graves meltdown bad.
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    Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson?

    I don't mind a Cordero return as long as it's one year. Anything more I fear is hanging an anchor on the bullpen

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    Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson?

    My problem with Cordereo was the mostly the salary. Have him at 4 million on 1 year deal and I'm ok with that.

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    Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson?

    Cordero's meltdown has already occurred. It just hasn't showed up in his ERA due to an unsustainable BABIP and small sample size.

    I'd let someone else blaze that trail.
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    Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson?

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    Cordero's meltdown has already occurred. It just hasn't showed up in his ERA due to an unsustainable BABIP and small sample size.

    I'd let someone else blaze that trail.

    This.

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    Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson?

    Really not a fan of more Cordero.
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    Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson?

    neither. Madson costs too much. Cordero's 2011 was a mirage.

    I think Heisey is a fine 4th outfielder. Heisey/Frazier just doesn't look good for left field for me. I think those guys both have their uses but we need more in left. So I'd rather Walt fixed LF first. Right now Marshall or Chapman could close just as good or better than any free agent except Madson.
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    Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson?

    plus if anyone but us signs Cordero we get a sandwich pick, We will need it after losing 6 (!) prospects this week.
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    Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson?

    Quote Originally Posted by Will M View Post
    plus if anyone but us signs Cordero we get a sandwich pick, We will need it after losing 6 (!) prospects this week.
    We offered arbitration? Or did we not have to?

    I hear you on Coco. Not a big fan and I'm convinced he's near the end of the road. His K rate has dropped significantly which is a glaring red flag IMO. However, one year at a "discounted" rate might be what ends up happening. I didn't realize the Reds got a draft pick if another team signed Coco though. (If true.)

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    Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    We offered arbitration? Or did we not have to?

    I hear you on Coco. Not a big fan and I'm convinced he's near the end of the road. His K rate has dropped significantly which is a glaring red flag IMO. However, one year at a "discounted" rate might be what ends up happening. I didn't realize the Reds got a draft pick if another team signed Coco though. (If true.)
    We get a draft pick regardless of the arbitration issue. We did n ot offer, but get it anyway.

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    Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson?

    Quote Originally Posted by Will M View Post
    neither. Madson costs too much. Cordero's 2011 was a mirage.
    I'm in full agreement with this.

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    Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson?

    I usually don't like to pay relievers big bucks, but Madson is young and very effective. He and Marshall at the end of the bullpen would bring back memories of the Nasty Boys. If the other team isn't leading by the end of the seventh inning, game over.

    I think that might actually be more productive than spending the same money on a left fielder, based on what's left.
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    Re: Closer: Down to Cordero or Madson?

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    I usually don't like to pay relievers big bucks, but Madson is young and very effective. He and Marshall at the end of the bullpen would bring back memories of the Nasty Boys. If the other team isn't leading by the end of the seventh inning, game over.

    I think that might actually be more productive than spending the same money on a left fielder, based on what's left.
    This is what I'm thinking. The Reds are one of the few teams left in need of a closer. Offer Madson 2/$20M and sell him on the idea of racking up 40 saves for two seasons and then signing another big contract in the 2013 offseason when there might be more suitors on the market.

    If we've got $12M left to spend, we might as well spend it on quality. Madson is an excellent relief pitcher and much better compared to any of his peers than any of the LF names I've heard tossed around on this forum...
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