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    Phillips extension not so likely afterall

    Saying he is glad the Reds picked up the option, but there won't be a "homeboy discount." Love BP, but I don't want to see the Reds giving him an extension with a $12M(+) average.

    Now, do you shop him now for his replacement and maybe a young OF or starter, then possibye use the savings to sign Kuroda or Cespedes? If so, who might want BP?

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    Re: Phillips extension not so likely afterall

    You kind of have to keep him for this season, as it looks like the Reds are going for it. In the offseason, you offer him the $12 million star option and hope he takes an LTC somewhere else while you get the picks.
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    Re: Phillips extension not so likely afterall

    Lets just see what happens in 2012. This is a big season, and a lot can change between now and November...
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    Re: Phillips extension not so likely afterall

    At this point, the Reds are in a good position.

    Madson may have an option year.
    If they can't resign Phillips to a reasonable deal, they can use his money to try and extend Marshal, Madson or any of their other good talent.

    I'd like Phillips to stay 2-3 more years, but I agree we can't make him the highest paid 2b in the game (Not saying he wants that, just making a point).
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    Re: Phillips extension not so likely afterall

    It really makes sense for both sides to wait and see. For as much as BP wants to be here, even he can probably see why the Reds need to wait and see about 2012. The view from the lofty heights they're reaching for will be much different in 300 days or so. He's got to be excited to be a part of it.
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    Re: Phillips extension not so likely afterall

    Yeah. I don't think he gets extended now. The payroll situation is changing fast. The Reds have second base candidates coming through their farm system.

    They can't sign everyone. And at some point, like in 2008 and 2009, they have to turn back to their farm system to keep things cheap and give those guys a chance.
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    Re: Phillips extension not so likely afterall

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    You kind of have to keep him for this season, as it looks like the Reds are going for it.
    Yep. I suppose it's possible to create a trade scenario that subtracts Phillips yet makes the 2012 Reds better, but it's hard to think of a realistic one.
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    Re: Phillips extension not so likely afterall

    Theoretically it seems like the Reds still have roughly $3-$5 million to spend. I'd kick some or all of that in the direction of Arroyo and Rolen in exchange for either stretching their current deals payments out over a longer period of time.

    In other words, the Reds owe Arroyo $12 million in 2012 and $11.5 Million in 2013. Kick the first $3 million from 2013 in now, in exchange the Reds pay $4.5 million in 2013 and $4 million in 2014. You could even stretch the extra payments out a little bit if you don't want a $4 million obligation to a former player to hit all at once. Taking into consideration the time value of money, this would benefit the player as much as the team.
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    Re: Phillips extension not so likely afterall

    I'd still like to see BP extended, so long as it is for <$12MM annually.
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    Re: Phillips extension not so likely afterall

    If I were the Reds...I'd trade BPhipps now along with Chapman or Homer for a MLB OF, 2B and legit Pitching prospect(s).

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    Re: Phillips extension not so likely afterall

    Thinking out loud here, but what would it take to flip Phillips to the Marlins in return for Hanley Ramirez? Could the Reds keep Ramirez around for three years (Let Cozart play 2B)? By then, Hamilton or one of the other young SS's might be ready.

    Would you do Phillips and Chapman for Ramirez and a prospect?
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    Re: Phillips extension not so likely afterall

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Red View Post

    In other words, the Reds owe Arroyo $12 million in 2012 and $11.5 Million in 2013. Kick the first $3 million from 2013 in now, in exchange the Reds pay $4.5 million in 2013 and $4 million in 2014. You could even stretch the extra payments out a little bit if you don't want a $4 million obligation to a former player to hit all at once. Taking into consideration the time value of money, this would benefit the player as much as the team.
    My hope on Arroyo is that he has a decent year and the Reds perhaps trade him at the deadline to avoid his future salary payments. By then, hopefully Chapman can replace him in the rotation.

    Might be unlikely for Reds to change their rotation in the middle of a pennant race, but Arroyo might be better trade bait a few months into the season if he is doing pretty well.

    Then they could use Arroyo's contract spot to re-sign Phillips or whatever.

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    Re: Phillips extension not so likely afterall

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS21 View Post
    Thinking out loud here, but what would it take to flip Phillips to the Marlins in return for Hanley Ramirez? Could the Reds keep Ramirez around for three years (Let Cozart play 2B)? By then, Hamilton or one of the other young SS's might be ready.

    Would you do Phillips and Chapman for Ramirez and a prospect?
    I think the Reds would be better off extending Phillips for that period. Ramirez will "probably" hit more, but he'll still be a head-case and he can't touch Phillips with the leather. Not to mention the fact that Phillips will also be cheaper than Hanley. I'll pass on Hanley.
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    Re: Phillips extension not so likely afterall

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    I think the Reds would be better off extending Phillips for that period. Ramirez will "probably" hit more, but he'll still be a head-case and he can't touch Phillips with the leather. Not to mention the fact that Phillips will also be cheaper than Hanley. I'll pass on Hanley.
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    Re: Phillips extension not so likely afterall

    The more I think about it, the more I want the Reds to sign Phillips to an extension. He was a 6 win player last year and I don't believe any one in the farm is going to be able to step in if he were to leave. I wouldn't go crazy or anything. I would see if Phillips would do a 4 year deal. He may be in decline during that last year, but I think he's good for at least 3 more years after this upcoming season.


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